"Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing"

Sun Oct 20 23:58:35 UTC 2019

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:10 AM Bjørn Mork <bjorn at mork.no> wrote:
>
> Julien Goodwin <jgoodwin at studio442.com.au> writes:
> > On 20/10/19 11:08 pm, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> >> Hank Nussbacher <hank at efes.iucc.ac.il> writes:
> >>> On 07/10/2019 17:42, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 03:52:26PM -0400,
> >>>>   Phil Pishioneri <pgp+nanog at psu.edu> wrote
> >>>>   a message of 9 lines which said:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Using Cloud Resources to Dramatically Improve Internet Routing
> >>>>> UMass Amherst researchers to use cloud-based ‘logically centralized
> >>>>> control’
> >>>> Executive summary: it's SDN for BGP. Centralizing Internet routing,
> >>>> what could go wrong? (As the authors say, "One reason is there is no
> >>>> single entity that has a big picture of what is going on, no
> >>>> manager". I wonder who will be Internet's manager.)
> >>>>
> >>> Centralized Internet routing - sounds like DoH for BGP.
> >>
> >> Great idea!  Why don't we just run BGP over HTTPS?  Everyone already has
> >> a browser, so we can get rid of all these expensive routers.
> >
> > IMO BGP over TLS actually makes a bunch of sense,
>
> Absolutely.  And so does DNS over TLS. A lot of sense.
>
> But if you start encoding the BGP protocol data in the TLS session as
> HTTP so you can tunnel it over a shared 443 port to some distant
> endpoint, and even traverse HTTP proxies, then it would look like a
> joke.
>
> Or in the DoH case, would make you wish it was a joke.

isn't julien's idea more akin to DOT then DOH ?