NTP question
Mike Hammett
nanog at ics-il.net
Thu May 2 02:06:31 UTC 2019
What about GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, etc.?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX
http://www.midwest-ix.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "James R Cutler" <james.cutler at consultant.com>
To: "Harlan Stenn" <stenn at nwtime.org>
Cc: nanog at nanog.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2019 8:55:51 PM
Subject: Re: NTP question
On May 1, 2019, at 9:45 PM, Harlan Stenn < stenn at nwtime.org > wrote:
On 5/1/19 5:39 PM, William Herrin wrote:
<blockquote>
On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 12:23 PM Mehmet Akcin < mehmet at akcin.net > wrote:
<blockquote>
I am trying to buy a GPS based NTP server like this one
https://timemachinescorp.com/product/gps-time-server-tm1000a/
but I will be placing this inside a data center, do these need an actual
view of a sky to be able to get signal or will they work fine inside a data
center building? if you have any other hardware requirements to be able to
provide stable time service for hundreds of customers, please let me know.
You buy a powered GPS antenna for it. Which antenna depends on the cable
length and type. The amplifier in the antenna amplifies the signal just
enough to overcome the cable loss between the antenna and the receiver.
Nice thick cables lose less signal. Dinky thin ones are easier to work with.
You sure you need a GPS NTP server? You understand that if you do, you need
two for reliability right, and probably at geographically diverse
locations? If you're not on an air-gapped network, consider syncing a
couple head-end NTP servers against tick and tock (.usno.navy.mil, the
naval observatory) and not worrying about it. One less piece of equipment
to manage, update, secure, etc.
</blockquote>
Two is not a great number. If they disagree, there is no majority
clique to be found.
Also, there is something to be said for using different models/vendors
for the time sources. If you only have the same model from one vendor
and there is a bug, you can lose all your time sources at once. The
GPS week rollover happens every ~19.7 years, and when that problem hits
is a function of the firmware and a manufacturing date put in the firmware.
These problems can be mitigated if you have "enough" time sources for
your internal NTP servers and you peer with enough other, possibly your,
servers.
<blockquote>
Regards,
Bill Herrin
</blockquote>
--
Harlan Stenn < stenn at nwtime.org >
http://networktimefoundation.org - be a member!
</blockquote>
To amplify the points made by Harlan Stenn:
Four is a better number locally for ntpd instances. As for different models/vendors for the time sources, I consider the GPS constellation as one vendor so I add multiple internet-connected sources as well to my ntp.conf instances.
James R. Cutler
James.cutler at consultant.com
GPG keys: hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net
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