SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC

Thu Jul 11 18:46:25 UTC 2019

On Thursday, 11 July, 2019 12:38, Ross Tajvar <ross at tajvar.io> wrote:

>What if you use different carriers for termination and origination?
>How does your termination carrier validate that your origination
>carrier has allocated certain numbers to you and that you're
>therefore allowed to make outbound calls with a caller ID set to
>those numbers? That doesn't sound to me like something that can be
>solved as quickly and easily as you imply.

It does not really matter.  What matters is that they bear responsibility for an act in furtherance of a conspiracy to commit fraud.

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The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.

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>On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 2:33 PM Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf at dessus.com>
>wrote:
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>	On Thursday, 11 July, 2019 11:18, Christopher Morrow
><morrowc.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
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>	>On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:00 PM Paul Timmins
><paul at telcodata.us> wrote:
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>	>> Chris it would be trivial for this to be fixed, nearly
>overnight,
>	>> by creating some liability on the part of carriers for
>illicit use of
>	>> caller ID data on behalf of their customers.
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>	>'illicit use of caller id' - how is caller-id being illicitly
>used
>	>though?
>	>I don't think it's against the law to say a different
>'callerid' in
>	>the call session, practically every actual call center does
>this, right?
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>	The problem is that CallerID is not really the CallerID.  It is
>some fraudulent shit created by the caller.  This is not how
>"CallerID" was originally sold.  It was sold as being the ID of the
>Caller.  If it is not the ID of the Caller then Fraud is being
>committed and the bastards should be castrated (or worse), and the
>CEO and Directors of the carrier responsible for fraud getting
>through to the end-user should face the same penalty.
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>	See then how quickly this gets fixed.  You will fall off your
>chair and it will be a "solved problem" before your arse hits the
>ground!
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>	The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to
>Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
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