Last Mile Design

Mark Tinka mark.tinka at
Mon Feb 11 13:46:53 UTC 2019

On 11/Feb/19 12:49, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
> In Sweden it's very common that people who live in detached house
> areas have to pay 1500-3000EUR to get attached to the fiber network as
> it's being built out. There are even bank loans you can get to pay for
> this, and pay it off over time. It's considered to be a good deal
> because it improves the value of the house as well as a huge
> improvement over having satellite-dish/terrestrial TV and ADSL/LTE for
> Internet access, now instead you can pay 30-40EUR a month to get a
> everything over the fiber.

Yes, makes sense, especially if you can get support to fund it.

> Now, I like the LLUB model where ISPs get access to the dark fiber all
> the way to the customer, and we do have that here as well, just not as
> commonly as I'd like. That's where
> comes from where they offer 10GE for 50EUR a month. This is done on
> Telia LLUB:ed dark fiber which costs around 15EUR a month (regulated
> price). It's a great PR case for "dark fiber access rocks and
> bitstream sucks". You get IPv6 in there as well, which isn't commonly
> available on most of the bitstream access services (because not only
> do we not do PON, we don't do PPPoE either here in Sweden).

Cut the price of wine and meat and I'll move to this PPPoE-free land :-).

> So it's a mixed bag and pricing and functionality could definitely be
> better, but the FTTH rollout has gone quite well here and it's as
> usual 10-15 different factors contributing but the willingness of the
> population who lives in houses to fork out 1500-3000EUR for fiber
> install has made this a lot less cash flow misery for the ISPs that
> roll this out. I just wish there would have been a requirement for
> everybody to actually rent this dark fiber out (which there isn't
> unless you're one of the biggest players) because after paying those
> 1500-3000EUR and you ask the fiber installation company "who owns this
> fiber?" they say "we do" and if you ask "ok, I'd like it connected to
> someone else" they will say "huh? what do you mean". There is an
> unfortunate common conflation between the fiber optic cable and the
> services offered on it.

I get what you're saying, but sadly, someone has to take the risk to
build out a network. Unless you are a large incumbent like Telia,
chances are it will be company whose sole focus is just fibre network
construction, and anything higher up in the layers is of no interest to


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