power to the internet

Sun Dec 29 00:43:58 UTC 2019

To be hyper pedantic, lithium / li-on batteries are recyclable. It’s just
not being done today on a substantive scale today for mostly economic
reasons.

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 14:51 Dan Hollis <goemon at sasami.anime.net> wrote:

> Nothing.
>
> It is extremely cheap, extremely durable, and nearly 100% recyclable. All
> the things lithium is not.
>
> The only thing is lead acid is not power dense, but that is not generally
> a problem at sites.
>
> -Dan
>
> On Sat, 28 Dec 2019, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
>
> > What is wrong with lead acid battery backup? Seems to be exceedingly
> stable
> > from my experience. We have all our equipment on -48V DC and have never
> had
> > a power interruption at any site.
> >
> > The requirements here are 48 hours of backup by law. Telecom is declared
> to
> > be part of emergency and defense, so they put in a requirement for
> > resilience.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Baldur
> >
> >
> > tor. 26. dec. 2019 11.33 skrev Joe Maimon <jmaimon at jmaimon.com>:
> >
> >> Unless telecom infrastructure has been diligently changing out the lead
> >> acid battery approach at all their remote terminals, powered gpon, hfc
> >> and antennae plants will never last more than minutes. If at all.
> >>
> >> A traditional car has between a 100-200amp alternator @12volts
> >>
> >> How much generating capacity can you get out of a typical hybrid?
> >>
> >> Self-isolating and re-tieing inverters. Economic household ATS systems.
> >> Do those exist?
> >>
> >> Enough independent distributed capacity and now comes the ability to
> >> create grid islands. How might that look?
> >>
> >> Electric grid shortage is likely coming to NYC, courtesy of folk of
> >> certain political persuasion and their love of stone age era living. IP
> >> decommissioning.
> >>
> >> If you have CO loop copper, keep it.
> >>
> >> Joe
> >>
> >> Don Gould wrote:
> >>> This is a very short term problem.
> >>>
> >>> The market is going to fill with battery storage sooner rather than
> >>> later.
> >>>
> >>> Solar is just exploding.
> >>>
> >>> Your car will "house tie".
> >>>
> >>> 6G will solve your data problem.
> >>>
> >>> D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Don Gould
> >>> 5 Cargill Place
> >>> Richmond
> >>> Christchurch, New Zealand
> >>> Mobile/Telegram: + 64 21 114 0699
> >>> www. <http://www.tusker.net.au/>bowenvale.co.nz
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>> From: Michael Thomas <mike at mtcc.com>
> >>> Date: 26/12/19 2:33 PM (GMT+12:00)
> >>> To: nanog at nanog.org
> >>> Subject: power to the internet
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/25/california-power-shutoffs-089678
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This article details some of the issues with California's "new reality"
> >>> of planned blackouts. One of the big things that came to light with
> >>> these blackouts is that our network infrastructure's resilience is
> >>> pretty lacking. While I was (surprisingly to me) ok with my DSL
> >>> connection out in the boonies, lots and lots of people with cable
> >>> weren't so lucky. And I'm not sure how bad the situation is with
> >>> cellular infrastructure, but I assume it's not much better than cable.
> >>> And I wouldn't doubt that other DSL deployments go dark when power is
> >>> down. I have no clue with fiber.
> >>>
> >>> So I guess what I'm wondering is what can we do about this? What should
> >>> we do about this? These days IP access is not just convenience, it's
> the
> >>> way we go about our lives, just like electricity itself. At base, it
> >>> seems to me that network operators should be required to keep the
> lights
> >>> on in blackouts just like POTS operators do now. If I have power to
> >>> light my modem or charge in my phone, I should be able to get onto the
> >>> net. That seems like table stakes.
> >>>
> >>> One of the things we learned also is that the blackouts seem to last
> >>> between 2-3 days apiece. I happen to have a generator since I'm out in
> >>> the boonies and our power gets cut regularly because of snow, but not
> >>> everyone has that luxury. I kind of want to think that my router+modem
> >>> use about 20 watts, so powering it up would take about 1.5kwh for 3
> >>> days. a quick google look shows that I'd probably need to shell out
> $500
> >>> or so for a battery of that capacity, and that's doesn't include your
> >>> phones, laptops, tv's, etc power needs. What does that mean? That is a
> >>> major expense for a lot of people.
> >>>
> >>> On the bright side, I hear that power generator companies stocks have
> >>> gone through the roof.
> >>>
> >>> On the dark side, this is probably coming to a lot more states and
> >>> countries due to climate change. Australia. Sigh.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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