What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet

Tue Aug 6 06:15:36 UTC 2019

Eric,

Not really. The customer provides the content on its own servers. The CDN simply redistributes the content via temporary caching. It’s not a web hosting provider. The CDN _customer_ hosts the content.

 -mel beckman

On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke at gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuhnke at gmail.com>> wrote:

A CDN is a hosting company. It is the logical continuation and evolution of what an httpd hosting/server colo company was twenty years ago, but with more geographical scale and a great deal more automation tools.

I have never in my life seen a medium to large-sized hosting company that didn't have a ToS reserving the right to discontinue service at any time for arbitrary reasons.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:28 PM Mel Beckman <mel at beckman.org<mailto:mel at beckman.org>> wrote:
Valdis,

A CDN is very much an ISP. It is providing transport for its customers from arbitrary Internet destinations, to the customer’s content. The caching done by a CDN is incidental to this transport, in accordance with the DMCA.

The alternative is that you believe CDNs are not protected by safe Harbor. Is that the case?

-mel via cell

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Valdis Klētnieks <valdis.kletnieks at vt.edu<mailto:valdis.kletnieks at vt.edu>> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 20:40:43 -0000, Mel Beckman said:
>> The key misunderstanding on your part is the phrase “on your servers”. ISPs
>> acting as conduits do not, by definition (in the DMCA), store anything on
>> servers.
>
> Note that ISPs whose business is 100% "acting as conduits" are in the minority.
>
> Hint:  The DMCA has the text about data stored on ISP servers because many ISPs
> aren't mere conduits.  And this thread got started regarding a CDN, which is very much
> all about storing data on servers.....
>
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