Whats going on at Cogent

Tue Oct 23 15:36:34 UTC 2018

It isn't IMO

Josh Luthman
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On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Ross Tajvar <ross at tajvar.io> wrote:

> I am also interested in hearing about this. I think it's relevant to the
> current thread.
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 11:22 AM Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If there is history about HE I should know before signing up with them
>> I'd love to know off list.
>>
>> If it's just between you and HE I hope it wasn't too bad, and I'd be
>> happy to listen, but I don't feel like it's something you need to share at
>> all.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
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>>
>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cogent is bigger.
>>>
>>> HE is more widely peered, especially in IPv6.
>>>
>>> I may be somewhat prejudice, though I don’t work for HE any more. Most
>>> on this list know the history so I won’t repeat it here.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 05:39 , Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess first thing's first...  you aren't doing anything to force the
>>> traffic that way, are you?
>>>
>>> If you've got IPv6 deployed, chances are that no Google will be coming
>>> over that Cogent.  :-)
>>>
>>> CAIDA says Cogent is bigger.
>>>
>>> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/174/as-core
>>> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/6939/as-core
>>>
>>> Being an eyeball network, what's going to impact that kind of usage the
>>> most is where the next up connections to Netflix, Google, Akamai,
>>> Cloudflare, etc. are located. If they're closer via HE than Cogent, that's
>>> where your traffic will come from.
>>>
>>> Looking at your network specifically, Netflix isn't on either IX that
>>> you're on, so that HE traffic very well could be a majority Netflix.
>>>
>>> What do your netflows say?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
>>> *To: *nanog at nanog.org
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: Whats going on at Cogent
>>>
>>> Is he.net smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had 6.7 Gbps
>>> peak from our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from our Cogent link. This is
>>> inbound traffic. We are eyeballs and our outbound is a small fraction of
>>> our inbound.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Baldur
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Dovid Bender <dovid at telecurve.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have been very happy with HE. It was a no brainer over cogent. They
>>>> are smaller (so are we). When there are issues they are real fast to fix
>>>> them, you also get the personal touch which you don't get with others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Dugas <edugas at unknowndevice.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't really get the Cogent/Google peering issues. I've been hearing
>>>>> this for years... How about fixing it already? Telling customer to get
>>>>> other transit providers to get to a given network is really bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a side note, HE is still HE but they're trying really hard to be a
>>>>> good netcitizen. They've finally pushed filtering for peers:
>>>>> http://routing.he.net. I wouldn't get transit from them, but in some
>>>>> markets, they're the only affordable IP transit providers.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 16 2018, at 10:04 am, DaKnOb <daknob.mac at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the
>>>>> lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a
>>>>> different provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my
>>>>> traffic from there.
>>>>>
>>>>> About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also seen an
>>>>> increase in salespeople calling, for example when an AS is registered etc.
>>>>> in addition to the normal calls..
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:54, Dovid Bender <dovid at telecurve.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I
>>>>> wasn't interested because of the HE issue. I have yet to get another
>>>>> email.......
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By <cb.list6 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard <
>>>>> dhubbard at dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he
>>>>> has no ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so we’re slowly removing
>>>>> circuits, but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been
>>>>> stable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, this.  Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them.
>>>>> Black-holing HE and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what they do if i use a
>>>>> default route from them, is dead on arrival.  Shows they make bad decisions
>>>>> and dont put the customer first, or even create such an illusion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces at nanog.org> on behalf of Ryan Gelobter <
>>>>> ryan.g at atwgpc.net>
>>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM
>>>>> *To: *NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
>>>>> *Subject: *Whats going on at Cogent
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account
>>>>> people at Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over
>>>>> there internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap
>>>>> but in the past their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems
>>>>> to have gone downhill the last 12 months really bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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