Whats going on at Cogent

Tue Oct 23 15:29:37 UTC 2018

We've had HE for 4 years. Pretty great company with good bandwidth. Most of
our traffic prefers them.

Their support is top notch as well.

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:20 AM Josh Luthman <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> If there is history about HE I should know before signing up with them I'd
> love to know off list.
>
> If it's just between you and HE I hope it wasn't too bad, and I'd be happy
> to listen, but I don't feel like it's something you need to share at all.
>
>
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> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>> Cogent is bigger.
>>
>> HE is more widely peered, especially in IPv6.
>>
>> I may be somewhat prejudice, though I don’t work for HE any more. Most on
>> this list know the history so I won’t repeat it here.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2018, at 05:39 , Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>> I guess first thing's first...  you aren't doing anything to force the
>> traffic that way, are you?
>>
>> If you've got IPv6 deployed, chances are that no Google will be coming
>> over that Cogent.  :-)
>>
>> CAIDA says Cogent is bigger.
>>
>> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/174/as-core
>> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/6939/as-core
>>
>> Being an eyeball network, what's going to impact that kind of usage the
>> most is where the next up connections to Netflix, Google, Akamai,
>> Cloudflare, etc. are located. If they're closer via HE than Cogent, that's
>> where your traffic will come from.
>>
>> Looking at your network specifically, Netflix isn't on either IX that
>> you're on, so that HE traffic very well could be a majority Netflix.
>>
>> What do your netflows say?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From: *"Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
>> *To: *nanog at nanog.org
>> *Sent: *Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: Whats going on at Cogent
>>
>> Is he.net smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had 6.7 Gbps
>> peak from our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from our Cogent link. This is
>> inbound traffic. We are eyeballs and our outbound is a small fraction of
>> our inbound.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Baldur
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Dovid Bender <dovid at telecurve.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We have been very happy with HE. It was a no brainer over cogent. They
>>> are smaller (so are we). When there are issues they are real fast to fix
>>> them, you also get the personal touch which you don't get with others.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Dugas <edugas at unknowndevice.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't really get the Cogent/Google peering issues. I've been hearing
>>>> this for years... How about fixing it already? Telling customer to get
>>>> other transit providers to get to a given network is really bad.
>>>>
>>>> On a side note, HE is still HE but they're trying really hard to be a
>>>> good netcitizen. They've finally pushed filtering for peers:
>>>> http://routing.he.net. I wouldn't get transit from them, but in some
>>>> markets, they're the only affordable IP transit providers.
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16 2018, at 10:04 am, DaKnOb <daknob.mac at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the
>>>> lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a
>>>> different provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my
>>>> traffic from there.
>>>>
>>>> About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also seen an
>>>> increase in salespeople calling, for example when an AS is registered etc.
>>>> in addition to the normal calls..
>>>>
>>>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:54, Dovid Bender <dovid at telecurve.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I
>>>> wasn't interested because of the HE issue. I have yet to get another
>>>> email.......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By <cb.list6 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard <
>>>> dhubbard at dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he has
>>>> no ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so we’re slowly removing
>>>> circuits, but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been
>>>> stable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yep, this.  Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them.
>>>> Black-holing HE and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what they do if i use a
>>>> default route from them, is dead on arrival.  Shows they make bad decisions
>>>> and dont put the customer first, or even create such an illusion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces at nanog.org> on behalf of Ryan Gelobter <
>>>> ryan.g at atwgpc.net>
>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM
>>>> *To: *NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
>>>> *Subject: *Whats going on at Cogent
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account
>>>> people at Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over
>>>> there internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap
>>>> but in the past their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems
>>>> to have gone downhill the last 12 months really bad.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

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