Whats going on at Cogent

Tue Oct 23 15:20:31 UTC 2018

If there is history about HE I should know before signing up with them I'd
love to know off list.

If it's just between you and HE I hope it wasn't too bad, and I'd be happy
to listen, but I don't feel like it's something you need to share at all.

Josh Luthman
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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> Cogent is bigger.
>
> HE is more widely peered, especially in IPv6.
>
> I may be somewhat prejudice, though I don’t work for HE any more. Most on
> this list know the history so I won’t repeat it here.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2018, at 05:39 , Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> I guess first thing's first...  you aren't doing anything to force the
> traffic that way, are you?
>
> If you've got IPv6 deployed, chances are that no Google will be coming
> over that Cogent.  :-)
>
> CAIDA says Cogent is bigger.
>
> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/174/as-core
> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/6939/as-core
>
> Being an eyeball network, what's going to impact that kind of usage the
> most is where the next up connections to Netflix, Google, Akamai,
> Cloudflare, etc. are located. If they're closer via HE than Cogent, that's
> where your traffic will come from.
>
> Looking at your network specifically, Netflix isn't on either IX that
> you're on, so that HE traffic very well could be a majority Netflix.
>
> What do your netflows say?
>
>
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
> *To: *nanog at nanog.org
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Whats going on at Cogent
>
> Is he.net smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had 6.7 Gbps
> peak from our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from our Cogent link. This is
> inbound traffic. We are eyeballs and our outbound is a small fraction of
> our inbound.
>
> Regards.
>
> Baldur
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Dovid Bender <dovid at telecurve.com> wrote:
>
>> We have been very happy with HE. It was a no brainer over cogent. They
>> are smaller (so are we). When there are issues they are real fast to fix
>> them, you also get the personal touch which you don't get with others.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Dugas <edugas at unknowndevice.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't really get the Cogent/Google peering issues. I've been hearing
>>> this for years... How about fixing it already? Telling customer to get
>>> other transit providers to get to a given network is really bad.
>>>
>>> On a side note, HE is still HE but they're trying really hard to be a
>>> good netcitizen. They've finally pushed filtering for peers:
>>> http://routing.he.net. I wouldn't get transit from them, but in some
>>> markets, they're the only affordable IP transit providers.
>>>
>>> On Oct 16 2018, at 10:04 am, DaKnOb <daknob.mac at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the
>>> lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a
>>> different provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my
>>> traffic from there.
>>>
>>> About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also seen an
>>> increase in salespeople calling, for example when an AS is registered etc.
>>> in addition to the normal calls..
>>>
>>> On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:54, Dovid Bender <dovid at telecurve.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I
>>> wasn't interested because of the HE issue. I have yet to get another
>>> email.......
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By <cb.list6 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard <
>>> dhubbard at dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he has
>>> no ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so we’re slowly removing
>>> circuits, but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been
>>> stable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yep, this.  Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them.
>>> Black-holing HE and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what they do if i use a
>>> default route from them, is dead on arrival.  Shows they make bad decisions
>>> and dont put the customer first, or even create such an illusion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces at nanog.org> on behalf of Ryan Gelobter <
>>> ryan.g at atwgpc.net>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM
>>> *To: *NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
>>> *Subject: *Whats going on at Cogent
>>>
>>> Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account
>>> people at Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over
>>> there internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap
>>> but in the past their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems
>>> to have gone downhill the last 12 months really bad.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>>
>
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