Internet diameter?

Casey Russell crussell at
Mon Nov 26 14:18:36 UTC 2018

It's not exactly a measurement of "user to content" but CAIDA has swarms of
Raspberry Pi nodes all over the world, that constantly measure... well, a
lot of things, but they continually also monitor traceroute paths to each
other.  If you're looking for a "average length from any one node to any
other node on the Internet" you'd likely find some good data points here.

Casey Russell
Network Engineer
[image: KanREN] <>
[image: phone]785-856-9809
2029 Becker Drive, Suite 282
Lawrence, Kansas 66047
[image: linkedin]
twitter] <> [image: twitter]
<> need support? <support at>

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 11:10 AM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists at>

> On Sat, Nov 24, 2018 at 8:48 PM Hal Murray <
> hgm+nanog at> wrote:
>> Keith Medcalf  said:
>> > "just static content" would be more accurate ...
>>   and using http rather than https
>> > There were many attempts at this by Johhny-cum-lately ISPs back in the
>> 90's
>> > -- particularly Telco and Cableco's -- with their "transparent poxies".
>> > Eventually they discovered that it was more cost efficient to actually
>> > provide the customer with what the customer had purchased.
>> One of the complications in this area is an extra layer of logging which
>> could
>> turn into privacy invasion.
>> I'm pretty sure it was Comcast, but a quick search didn't find a good
>> reference.  Many years ago, there were a lot of complaints when customers
> did you mean the 'sandvine experiment' that happened ~10 yrs back?
> or did you mean the plan verizon had to proxy all http/https traffic from
> consumer (fios/dsl) links through their gear so they could replace ad
> content and such?
> or did you mean the various (barefruit/nominim/paxfire) dns fake-answer
> companies that dropped your customer on their "search platform" for
> monetization?
> fairly much all of those are a wreck for consumer privacy :(
>> discovered that their transparent proxy web site traffic was getting
>> logged.
>> Comcast said they weren't using it for anything beyond normal operations
>> work,
>> but nobody believed them.  Shortly after that, they gave up on proxying.
>> I'm sure the general reputation of modern Telcos and Cablecos for privacy
>> invasion didn't help.
> it's a rough business to be in, they say... but invading privacy of their
> users makes things seem a heck of a lot worse.
>> --
>> These are my opinions.  I hate spam.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <>

More information about the NANOG mailing list