Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

Michael Hallgren mh at xalto.net
Tue May 29 19:19:40 UTC 2018


Morocco... Sure? Data points?

mh

Le 2018-05-29 20:00, Owen DeLong a écrit :
> It was a convenient example with which I had experience near Eritrea.
> 
> My statement would apply equally for say, Zambia or Morocco.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On May 29, 2018, at 10:58 , Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ethiopia is significantly different and unique, in its own unusual 
>> way, because of the government monopoly telecom. Other people can 
>> correct me if I'm wrong, but unless the situation has changed in the 
>> past two years, all small to medium sized ISPs in Ethiopia are 
>> mandated by law to be downstream of the government run telecom ASN. 
>> Also the government owned national telecom has a monopoly on all 
>> international fiber connections to neighboring countries (at OSI layer 
>> 1), and for things like STM/SDH or 1/10/ Gbps Ethernet L2 transport 
>> services to any location outside of Ethiopia.
>> 
>> The Ethiopian Internet is also subject to significant censorship and 
>> attempted blockage of VPN and VoIP services.
>> 
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=ethiopia+internet+censorship&oq=ethiopia+internet+censorship&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57.2857j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=ethiopia+internet+censorship&oq=ethiopia+internet+censorship&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57.2857j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com 
>> <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The Internet in Indonesia is the very same Internet in Eritrea, as it is
>> > in Canada. We can't quite split that…
>> 
>> I admit that I haven’t been to Eritrea or Indonesia, but using 
>> Ethiopia
>> and Malaysia as stand-ins (which I have been to), I can say that while 
>> they
>> are the same internet, the level of development, the payment systems 
>> which
>> are usable via said internet, and other aspects of the daily use and 
>> capabilities
>> which can be utilized on the internet in those countries does vary 
>> greatly.
>> 
>> For example, Apple Pay is somewhat ubiquitous in Canada. It’s 
>> virtually unheard
>> of in Ethiopia. My travels to Malaysia were not recent enough for me 
>> to comment
>> accurately on the current state of things.
>> 
>> M-Pesa is widely accepted in Kenya, but not at all in the US or 
>> Canada.
>> 
>> PayPal is popular in the US, but not so much in most of the rest of 
>> the world.
>> 
>> YMMV.
>> 
>> IPv6 is readily available on almost every mobile phone in the US. Less 
>> so in
>> Kenya or Tanzania, Eritrea, Canada, or Indonesia.
>> 
>> While all connected networks are part of the same big I Internet, not 
>> all networks
>> are created or maintained equal and not all services on those networks 
>> are
>> ubiquitously available to all users of the big I Internet.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> 




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