Proving Gig Speed

K. Scott Helms kscott.helms at gmail.com
Wed Jul 18 14:00:27 UTC 2018


That seems only to be for direct peers Mike.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:53 AM Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:

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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "K. Scott Helms" <kscott.helms at gmail.com>
> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net>
> Cc: "NANOG list" <nanog at nanog.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 8:45:22 AM
> Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
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> Mike,
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> What portal would that be? Do you have a URL?
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> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 9:25 AM Mike Hammett < nanog at ics-il.net > wrote:
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> Check your Google portal for more information as to what Google can do
> with BGP Communities related to reporting.
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: "K. Scott Helms" < kscott.helms at gmail.com >
> To: "mark tinka" < mark.tinka at seacom.mu >
> Cc: "NANOG list" < nanog at nanog.org >
> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 7:40:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
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> Agreed, and it's one of the fundamental problems that a speed test is (and
> can only) measure the speeds from point A to point B (often both inside
> the
> service provider's network) when the customer is concerned with traffic to
> and from point C off in someone else's network altogether. It's one of the
> reasons that I think we have to get more comfortable and more
> collaborative
> with the CDN providers as well as the large sources of traffic. Netflix,
> Youtube, and I'm sure others have their own consumer facing performance
> testing that is _much_ more applicable to most consumers as compared to
> the
> "normal" technician test and measurement approach or even the service
> assurance that you get from normal performance monitoring. What I'd really
> like to see is a way to measure network performance from the CO/head
> end/PoP and also get consumer level reporting from these kinds of
> services. If Google/Netflix/Amazon Video/$others would get on board with
> this idea it would make all our lives simpler.
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> Providing individual users stats is nice, but if these guys really want to
> improve service it would be great to get aggregate reporting by ASN. You
> can get a rough idea by looking at your overall graph from Google, but
> it's
> lacking a lot of detail and there's no simple way to compare that to a
> head
> end/CO test versus specific end users.
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> https://www.google.com/get/videoqualityreport/
> https://fast.com/#
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> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:27 AM Mark Tinka < mark.tinka at seacom.mu >
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> > On 18/Jul/18 14:00, K. Scott Helms wrote:
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> > That's absolutely a concern Mark, but most of the CPE vendors that
> support
> > doing this are providing enough juice to keep up with their max
> > forwarding/routing data rates. I don't see 10 Gbps in residential
> Internet
> > service being normal for quite a long time off even if the port itself
> is
> > capable of 10Gbps. We have this issue today with commercial customers,
> but
> > it's generally not as a much of a problem because the commercial CPE get
> > their usage graphed and the commercial CPE have more capabilities for
> > testing.
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> >
> > I suppose the point I was trying to make is when does it stop being
> > feasible to test each and every piece of bandwidth you deliver to a
> > customer? It may very well not be 10Gbps... perhaps it's 2Gbps, or
> 3.2Gbps,
> > or 5.1Gbps... basically, the rabbit hole.
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> > Like Saku, I am more interested in other fundamental metrics that could
> > impact throughput such as latency, packet loss and jitter. Bandwidth,
> > itself, is easy to measure with your choice of SNMP poller + 5 minutes.
> But
> > when you're trying to explain to a simple customer buying 100Mbps that a
> > break in your Skype video cannot be diagnosed with a throughput speed
> test,
> > they don't/won't get it.
> >
> > In Africa, for example, customers in only one of our markets are so
> > obsessed with speed tests. But not to speed test servers that are
> > in-country... they want to test servers that sit in Europe, North
> America,
> > South America and Asia-Pac. With the latency averaging between 140ms -
> > 400ms across all of those regions from source, the amount of energy
> spent
> > explaining to customers that there is no way you can saturate your
> > delivered capacity beyond a couple of Mbps using Ookla and friends is
> > energy I could spend drinking wine and having a medium-rare steak,
> instead.
> >
> > For us, at least, aside from going on a mass education drive in this
> > particular market, the ultimate solution is just getting all that
> content
> > localized in-country or in-region. Once that latency comes down and the
> > resources are available locally, the whole speed test debacle will
> easily
> > fall away, because the source of these speed tests is simply how
> physically
> > far the content is. Is this an easy task - hell no; but slamming your
> head
> > against a wall over and over is no fun either.
> >
> > Mark.
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