NANOG list errors

Wed Jul 18 04:24:51 UTC 2018

Fellow list members,

The last several days, I’ve been receiving mail forwarding loop errors for the list. I’ll receive them several hours after sending a message. I’ll paste the latest two of them below, separated by % symbols.

Anyone able to sort this out and fix?

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I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
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                  The mail system

<nanog at nanog.org>: mail forwarding loop for nanog at nanog.org
Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.nanog.org
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 2B72F160040
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; andy at newslink.com
Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:41:57 +0000 (UTC)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; nanog at nanog.org
Original-Recipient: rfc822;nanog at nanog.org
Action: failed
Status: 5.4.6
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for nanog at nanog.org

From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy at newslink.com>
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
Date: July 17, 2018 at 9:53:01 AM CDT
To: NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>

> On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
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> 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup comes later. 
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> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
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> Midwest-IX 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 

Well, in a few years when we’re all watching 4D 32K Netflix on our 16-foot screens with 5 million DPI, it’ll make all the difference in the world, right?

Tongue-in-cheek obviously.

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Andy Ringsmuth
andy at newslink.com
News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities
2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
(402) 475-6397    (402) 304-0083 cellular

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Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:46:02 +0000 (UTC)

Final-Recipient: rfc822; nanog at nanog.org
Original-Recipient: rfc822;nanog at nanog.org
Action: failed
Status: 5.4.6
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for nanog at nanog.org

From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy at newslink.com>
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed
Date: July 17, 2018 at 11:12:22 AM CDT
To: NANOG list <nanog at nanog.org>

> On Jul 17, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka at seacom.mu> wrote:
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> On 17/Jul/18 16:41, Mike Hammett wrote:
> 
>> 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away
>> from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents
>> anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup
>> comes later.
> 
> Doesn't stop customers from buying it if it's cheap and available, which
> doesn't stop them from proving they are getting 10Gbps as advertised.
> 
> Mark.

I suppose in reality it’s no different than any other utility. My home has 200 amp electrical service. Will I ever use 200 amps at one time? Highly highly unlikely. But if my electrical utility wanted to advertise “200 amp service in all homes we supply!” they sure could. Would an electrician be able to test it? I’m sure there is a way somehow.

If me and everyone on my street tried to use 200 amps all at the same time, could the infrastructure handle it? Doubtful. But do I on occasion saturate my home fiber 300 mbit synchronous connection? Every now and then yes, but rarely. Although if I’m paying for 300 and not getting it, my ISP will be hearing from me.

If my electrical utility told me “hey, you can upgrade to 500 amp service for no additional charge” would I do it? Sure, what the heck. If my water utility said “guess what? You can upgrade to a 2-inch water line at no additional charge!” would I do it? Probably yeah, why not?

Would I ever use all that capacity on $random_utility at one time? Of course not. But nice to know it’s there if I ever need it.

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Andy Ringsmuth
andy at newslink.com
News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities
2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158
(402) 475-6397    (402) 304-0083 cellular

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Andy Ringsmuth
andy at newslink.com
5609 Harding Dr.
Lincoln, NE 68521
(402) 304-0083 cellular