Proving Gig Speed

Mike Hammett nanog at
Tue Jul 17 16:18:05 UTC 2018

I don't think you understand the gravity of the in-home interference issue. Unfortunately, neither does the IEEE. 

It doesn't need to be in lock-step, but if a significant number of homes have issues getting over 100 megabit wirelessly, I'm not sure we need to be concerned about 10 gigabit to the home. 

I am well aware of the wireless world and Ubiquiti. I've been using Ubiquiti (among other brands) for over 10 years and have been a hardware beta tester for several of them. 

The 640 kb of RAM statements, computers in home statements, 56 kbps days statements... are all tangential at best. 

Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Joe Greco" <jgreco at> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog at> 
Cc: nanog at 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:11:29 AM 
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed 

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 10:47:45AM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> We already supply far, far greater than the actual consumer usage (versus want or demand). 
> Consumers are moving away from wired connections in the home for wireless connections (for obvious mobility and ease of setup where there isn't existing wired infrastructure). 
> Consumers are moving away from power desktops and laptops to phones, tablets, and purpose-built appliances. 
> My in-laws have a Comcast service that's >100 megabit/s. The 2.4 and 5 GHz noise floors are so high (-50 to -75 dB, depending on channel and location within the house) that unless you're in the same room, you're not getting more than 10 megabit/s on wireless. On a wire, Comcast delivers full data rate. Speed tests from wire to wireless mirror the wireless to Internet performance. 
> If it can't be delivered within the home, delivering it to the home is pointless. 

And yet if we had had those attitudes back in the days of 56kbps, ... 

Your argument is flawed because it implies that this is not an issue 
that can be addressed. Populating a house with more than a single 
crap-grade built-into-the-CPE radio is certainly possible, and tech 
people have been using gear such as Ubiquiti to do so for years now, 
but more recently mesh systems have become readily available as well 
and are even sold at Best Buy and other electronics stores. 

There is no need for ISP speeds to be in exact lock-step with wifi 
speeds. Advances in one will drive advances in the other. Eventually. 

... JG 
Joe Greco - Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - 
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I 
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) 
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples. 

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