40G reforming

Mon Feb 5 19:33:38 UTC 2018

Indeed. Arista does (did?) make at least one platform where you can do this. 

-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Marian Durkovic
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 2:33 PM
To: Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
Cc: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Re: 40G reforming

Many switches based on BCM Trident ASIC allow you to configure 4 consecutive
SFP+ ports as 40G link (not LACP, but using real hardware 40G framing).
In such case, you can plug 4 DWDM SFP+ modules directly into the switch, without the need for any reformer.

   M.

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 20:03:33 +0100, Baldur Norddahl wrote
> I may need to clarify that I do not want to break the port into 4x10G 
> as such. To the switch this will be an ordinary 40G link to another 
> switch far away.
> 
> I want to take advantage of the fact that 40G is transported as four 
> individual streams. Each of the four streams are to be converted from 
> 850 nm to a 1550 DWDM channel (one channel per stream). And the 
> reverse at the other end of the link.
> 
> The point of doing this is that 40G DWDM modules are not generally 
> available and neither are 80 km modules.
> 
> I need a true 40G channel so 4x10G LACP is not an option here. For the 
> same reason I am unable to accept a solution that splits the 40G port 
> into 4x10G and then perhaps recombines using LACP. Instead I am 
> looking at an optical solution that is invisible to the switch hardware.
> 
> The only doubt I have about the proposed solution is whether the frame 
> format of the 10G substreams is somehow incompatible with what goes on 
> in the reformer. As I understand these reformers they are little more 
> than two SFP(+) modules connected back to back. And therefore it 
> should not matter that the frame format may be different.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Baldur
> 
> Den 5. feb. 2018 7.20 PM skrev "Paul Zugnoni" <pz at wish.com>:
> 
> Whether a 40G port can be broken into 4x10G is dependent on the 
> router/switch hardware and the optic you use. Good news is that most 
> 40G ports are capable of being broken out into 4x10G, since a 40G port 
> is usually operating as 4x10G internally anyway to the ASIC. The QSFP 
> you'll need would be a 40G-SR4 for MTP/Multimode or 40G-LR4 for 
> MTP/Singlemode (or a lower power, less expensive equivalent). This is 
> a pretty common use of 40G ports. All 4 10G ports would then be at 
> 850nm or 1310nm, which you can then plug into any 10G SR or LR ports.
> 
> What router or switch platform is driving the 40G?
> 
> Paul Z
> 
> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 7:57 AM, Baldur Norddahl 
> <baldur.norddahl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello
> >
> > Is it possible to reform a 40G signal as individual 10G links?
> >
> > The idea is to use a 40G QSFP multimode MTP module such as 
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.fs.com_prod
> > ucts_44058.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=Hlvprqonr5LuCN9TN65xNw&r=Iw8ah1pcqZhOErIj
> > aFRfuA&m=wWoshgttJT0E6q6-qJzP_ZcIrEz_EP88taPCbvAiK2Y&s=_rJfOmyDlGmPG
> > C6M5FbhQ1V8_mho1OCpkcuYRNlaOvA&e=. Then connect it using a MTP 
> > breakout cable such as 
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.fs.com_prod
> > ucts_68049.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=Hlvprqonr5LuCN9TN65xNw&r=Iw8ah1pcqZhOErIjaFRfuA&m=wWoshgttJT0E6q6-qJzP_ZcIrEz_EP88taPCbvAiK2Y&s=Cz0mCyM3dtcHoZ7lGy7uyroI_Y7AwmKXdnYNFIF0rPI&e= to get four dual fiber connectors. These are then connected to four 10G SFP+ multimode modules such as https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.fs.com_products_11589.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=Hlvprqonr5LuCN9TN65xNw&r=Iw8ah1pcqZhOErIjaFRfuA&m=wWoshgttJT0E6q6-qJzP_ZcIrEz_EP88taPCbvAiK2Y&s=l-9OAiUxeydRJCJc7d1kTKPVSkwQlkV4xkZFlbFxyRs&e=. The reformer could be https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.fs.com_products_43721.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=Hlvprqonr5LuCN9TN65xNw&r=Iw8ah1pcqZhOErIjaFRfuA&m=wWoshgttJT0E6q6-qJzP_ZcIrEz_EP88taPCbvAiK2Y&s=NwCHiC_boNNs7zCOgJFRZ5nmZOVEPBovGYNTtdQ_pCE&e=. And finally the reformed signal can be transported using anything including DWDM modules such as https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.fs.com_products_44058.html&d=DwIDaQ&c=Hlvprqonr5LuCN9TN65xNw&r=Iw8ah1pcqZhOErIjaFRfuA&m=wWoshgttJT0E6q6-qJzP_ZcIrEz_EP88taPCbvAiK2Y&s=_rJfOmyDlGmPGC6M5FbhQ1V8_mho1OCpkcuYRNlaOvA&e=.
> >
> > Just using fs.com as a reference to the kind of equipment I am 
> > talking about. Many other vendors offer simelar products.
> >
> > The motivation for doing this is to get access to the many options 
> > that are available for 10G optics but not possible with 40G.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Baldur
> >
> >