How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)

Mon Dec 17 20:51:38 UTC 2018

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How do we choose the best transport?

One question, how much people care about vendor diversity? I do and did
care. I don’t want to put all my eggs in one basket. Do you care? Thank you

Mehmet

On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 11:30 Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:

> I haven't.
>
> Sure, but the equipment still does smaller channels. Going to 100G or 400G
> for just over 10G seems silly.
>
> If Equinix had reasonable cross connects, I'd just LAG 10Gs. The cost of a
> pair of Equinix cross connects isn't much less than the 10G wave.
> Thankfully I'm only in one datacenter with such a ridiculous model.
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> *From: *"Ben Cannon" <ben at 6by7.net>
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> *Subject: *Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)
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> Mike have you looked at Packetlight?   Long-haul is mostly jumping to 100
> or even 400g coherent.
>
> -Ben
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> On Dec 15, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
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> FS had one, but it's not on their site anymore.
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> *Cc: *"Eric Dugas" <edugas at unknowndevice.ca>, "nanog" <nanog at nanog.org>
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 15, 2018 10:52:19 AM
> *Subject: *Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)
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> No cost affective 10x10G to 100G muxponder?
>
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Dec 15, 2018, at 4:46 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> heh, cross connects are indeed a major issue. I have a need for > 10G
> transport. My equipment supports 40G. The carriers aren't terribly
> interested in doing 40G transport (at least not at a reasonable price, one
> quote was over 4x a 10G). 100G-capable switches cost too much. Equinix
> charges as much for a pair of cross connects as a 10G wave. Carriers aren't
> likely to be interested in using bidi optics or passive WDM to overcome the
> ridiculous cross connect charges.
>
> This all complicates how one chooses transport. There's no easy path
> forward.
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> *From: *"Eric Dugas" <edugas at unknowndevice.ca>
> *To: *"Mehmet Akcin" <mehmet at akcin.net>
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> *Sent: *Friday, December 14, 2018 11:42:53 AM
> *Subject: *Re: How to choose a transport(terrestrial/subsea)
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> I also look at hand-off locations (as long as it doesn't compromise the
> overall robustness of the design).
>
> Most providers will be able to hand-off in the BMMR of a carrier hotel and
> some will have the flexibility to hand-off in particular suites within the
> same building or other locations near where the cross-connects fees are
> lower. I've seen cross-connect fees between $50 up to $750 MRC so if you
> need multiple wavelengths (for capacity), the cross-connect fees are going
> to make a huge difference on the total MRC.
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> Eric
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> On Dec 14 2018, at 12:17 pm, Mehmet Akcin <mehmet at akcin.net> wrote:
>
> Thank you everyone incredible amounts of responses for my how to choose a
> transit provider smail earlier.
>
> How do you choose transport & backbone?
>
> Looking at key aspects like route information, diversity, aerial vs under
> ground fiber, age of fiber, outage history, length, but what else?
>
> I will get both transport and transit as two seperate blogs.
>
> I will also submit as a nanog paper for the meeting after next, or maybe
> next? I am probably too late by now.
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> Thank you for all your help. I will add your names to the thank you line
> ;-)
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