Should ISP block child pornography?

Fri Dec 7 19:31:04 UTC 2018

Very well explained, Max!

With Gratitude,
Pratik Lotia

“Information is not knowledge.”

On 12/7/18, 13:16, "NANOG on behalf of nanog at jack.fr.eu.org" <nanog-bounces at nanog.org on behalf of nanog at jack.fr.eu.org> wrote:

    Well said

    On 12/07/2018 07:48 PM, Max Tulyev wrote:
    > Hi All,
    > 
    > we are fighting with censorship in our country. So I have something to say.
    > 
    > First, censorship is not just "switch off this website and that
    > webpage". No magic button exist. It is more complex, if you think as for
    > while system.
    > 
    > Initially, networks was build without systems (hardware and software)
    > can block something.
    > 
    > Yes, you may nullroute some IP with some site, but as the collateral
    > damage you will block part of Cloudflare or Amazon, for example. So you
    > have to buy and install additional equipment and software to do it a bit
    > less painful. That's not so cheap, that should be planned, brought,
    > installed, checked and personal should be learned. After that, your
    > system will be capable to block some website for ~90% of your customers
    > will not proactively avoid blocking. And for *NONE* who will, as CP
    > addicts, terrorists, blackmarkets, gambling, porn and others do.
    > 
    > Yep. Now you network is capable to censor something. You just maid the
    > first step to the hell. What's next? Some people send you some websites
    > to ban. This list with CP, Spamhaus DROP, some court orders, some
    > semi-legal copyright protectors orders, some "we just want to block it"
    > requests... And some list positions from time to time became outdated,
    > so you need to clean it from time to time. Do not even expect people
    > sent you the block request will send you unblock request, of course.
    > Then, we have >6000 ISPs in our country - it is not possible to interact
    > with all of them directly.
    > 
    > So, you end up under a lot of papers, random interactions with random
    > people and outdated and desyncronized blocking list. It will not work.
    > 
    > Next, government realizes there should be one centralized blocking list
    > and introduces it.
    > 
    > Ok. Now we have censored Internet. THE SWITCH IS ON.
    > 
    > In a very short time the number of organizations have permission to
    > insert something in the list dramatically increases. Corruption rises,
    > it becomes possible, and then becomes cheap to put your competitor's
    > website into the list for some time. And of course, primary target of
    > any censorship is the elections...
    > 
    > What about CP and porn addicts, gamblers, killers, terrorists? Surprise,
    > they are even more fine than at the beginning! Why? Because they learned
    > VPN, TOR and have to use it! Investigators end up with TOR and VPN exit
    > IP addresses from another countries instead of their home IPs.
    > 
    > Hey. It is a very very bad and very very danger game. Avoid it.
    > Goal of that game is to SWITCH ON that system BY ANY REASON. CP, war,
    > gambling - any reason that will work. After the system will be switched
    > on - in several months you will forget the initial reason. And will
    > awake in another world.
    > 
    > 07.12.18 08:06, Lotia, Pratik M пише:
    >> Hello all, was curious to know the community’s opinion on whether an ISP
    >> should block domains hosting CPE (child pornography exploitation)
    >> content? Interpol has a ‘worst-of’ list which contains such domains and
    >> it wants ISPs to block it.
    >>
    >> On one side we want the ISP to not do any kind of censorship or
    >> inspection of customer traffic (customers are paying for pipes – not for
    >> filtered pipes), on the other side morals/ethics come into play. Keep in
    >> mind that if an ISP is blocking it would mean that it is also logging
    >> the information (source IP) and law agencies might be wanting access to it.
    >>
    >>  
    >>
    >> Wondering if any operator is actively doing it or has ever considered
    >> doing it?
    >>
    >>  
    >>
    >> Thanks.
    >>
    >>  
    >>
    >>  
    >>
    >> With Gratitude,
    >>
    >> * *
    >>
    >> *Pratik Lotia*      
    >>
    >>  
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