Are any of you starting to get AI robocalls?

Dovid Bender dovid at telecurve.com
Wed Apr 4 23:53:59 UTC 2018


As carriers who get these calls for our clients we hate them. Short
duration calls have the same cost as far as channels, keeping cdr's etc yet
since they are so short there isn't much to be made. This is worse then
BCP38 since with the internet there is no reason for anyone at home or a
small office to be sending out a packet that is not with their IP. When it
comes to telephony say I have a PBX, I get a call and then want to send it
out to my on call tech. I want him to see the real callers number. I need
to now "spoof" that number so my tech see's the real caller. There is a lot
more room for abuse. Now the carriers terminating the calls (the ones
getting them from the spammers) they love them. Since it's dialer/short
termination they can charge and arm and a leg.


On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 7:17 PM, Shawn L via NANOG <nanog at nanog.org> wrote:

>
> Honestly, most carriers I've talked to are fed up as well, and just want
> to find a way to make it stop.  As some one said, it's exactly like BCP38
> ---  the carriers that care keep their clients from spoofing caller id,
> etc.  The ones that don't make everyone else look bad.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Keith Medcalf" <kmedcalf at dessus.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 7:04pm
> To: "nanog at nanog.org" <nanog at nanog.org>
> Subject: RE: Are any of you starting to get AI robocalls?
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> Why would the carriers want to do anything? They are making money from
> call termination fees.
>
>
> ---
> The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says
> a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Sean
> >Pedersen
> >Sent: Wednesday, 4 April, 2018 08:45
> >To: nanog at nanog.org
> >Subject: RE: Are any of you starting to get AI robocalls?
> >
> >Yep. Add it to the list of IRS scams, fake arrest warrants, credit
> >repair, free vacations, etc. The rate of calls has increased
> >dramatically in the past year, especially with the "neighborhood
> >scam" where they spoof their CLID to a local area code and prefix +
> >0000 through 9999 and blast you with calls, trying to trick you into
> >thinking it's someone local and thus important or legitimate.
> >
> >I have a second phone I use for work and on-call, so that goes on DND
> >from 6PM to 6AM with a VIP list of people/numbers that can ring
> >through. No problems there, and somehow that number isn't (yet) on
> >anyone's list, so I don't get many calls.
> >
> >On my personal cell, I started to use an app called Hiya that has
> >been pretty successful. It's available for both iPhone and Android.
> >It powers a lot of the carrier-specific apps like AT&T Call Protect,
> >but unlike them, it doesn't suck. It's a giant database of reports
> >that rate calling numbers and classify them as fraud, scam,
> >neighborhood spoofing, etc. and you can flag them or route them right
> >to voicemail. The only time it doesn’t work is when it hasn't updated
> >its list in a little while and a few sneak through. They just
> >realized a premium version that added some features. I haven't
> >explored it yet.
> >
> >Went from about 20 calls a week to almost nothing.
> >
> >Carriers seem to be either uncapable or unwilling to address the
> >issue other than the occasional lip-service reply about "taking
> >customer's $variable seriously."
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of William
> >Herrin
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2018 3:32 PM
> >To: nanog at nanog.org
> >Subject: Are any of you starting to get AI robocalls?
> >
> >Howdy.
> >
> >Have any of you started to get AI robocalls? I've had a couple of
> >calls recently where I get the connect silence of a predictive dialer
> >followed by a woman speaking with call center background noise. She
> >gives her name and asks how I'm doing. The first time it happened it
> >seemed off for reasons I can't quite articulate, so I asked: "Are you
> >a robot or a person?" She responded "yes" and then launched in to a
> >sales pitch. The next time I asked, "where can I direct your call?"
> >She responded "that's good" and launched in to her pitch.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Bill Herrin
> >
> >
> >--
> >William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com bill at herrin.us
> >Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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