Question about Customer Population by ASN for Canada

Eric Dugas edugas at unknowndevice.ca
Mon Oct 2 20:17:50 CST 2017


For some reason my previous email was empty.

What I wrote:

"Some of these numbers are largely inflated...

e.g. Teksavvy at 937,855 estimated users. How can they have 937,855 users
if they "only" have 686,848 IPv4 (https://bgp.he.net/AS5645)?

Also, Allstream/Zayo AS15290 has a lot of IPs but it's mostly corps/govs.
So it's a mix of inflated and false positives.

Eric"

Eric

On October 2, 2017 at 4:15:53 PM, Filip Hruska (fhr at fhrnet.eu) wrote:

Hi,

There are various reasons that might be causing this:
* Lots of VPNs on OVH network
* OVH offers "desktop-as-a-service" and from what I understand it's
quite popular
* OVH is also a home ISP - just in France though; but not sure if/how
APNIC separated OVH as an ISP and OVH as a server provider.
I think it's all under the same ASN (might be wrong though)
* There are some scrapers on the OVH network - definitely not half a
million though


Best Regards,
Filip Hruska

Dne 10/2/17 v 22:05 Stephen Fulton napsal(a):
> Hi Jack,
>
> As OVH is a data centre, I find that extraordinary if eyeballs were
> the cost.  VPN's may be popular but that seems excessive. Probably
> bots of some sort, scraping the internet.
>
> -- Stephen
>
> On 2017-10-02 3:57 PM, Jacques Latour wrote:
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I'm working on our IPv6 and DNSSEC adoption report for Canada and the
>> data I use comes largely from APNIC
>> (https://stats.labs.apnic.net/dnssec/CA) and
>> (https://stats.labs.apnic.net/ipv6/CA).
>>
>> Labs.APNIC has a pretty cool system to measure this kind of stuff by
>> deploying specially crafted google ads, see "How Big is that
>> Network?"  https://labs.apnic.net/?p=526, and APNIC is able to assess
>> the population behind a network based on ad placement distribution.
>> See https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA for Canada.
>>
>> The question I have is why does OVH come #6 with an estimated
>> population of 1,480,927 behind its ASN? Remember these are actual
>> placement of ads.  Should I count those users as part of my stats?
>>
>> Rank    ASN     AS Name CC      Users (est.)    % of country % of
>> Internet   Samples
>> 1       AS812   ROGERS-CABLE - Rogers Cable Communications Inc.
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 5,420,034
>> 16.72   0.16    555,718
>> 2       AS577   BACOM - Bell Canada
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 4,474,012
>> 13.8    0.132   458,722
>> 3       AS6327  SHAW - Shaw Communications Inc.
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 3,708,414
>> 11.44   0.109   380,225
>> 4       AS852   ASN852 - TELUS Communications Inc.
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 2,914,405
>> 8.99    0.086   298,815
>> 5       AS5769  VIDEOTRON - Videotron Telecom Ltee
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 2,189,946
>> 6.76    0.065   224,536
>> 6       AS16276 OVH
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 1,480,927
>> 4.57    0.044   151,840
>> 7       AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp.
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 1,272,374
>> 3.93    0.038   130,457
>> 8       AS855   CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant Regional Communications,
>> Inc. CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA>
>> 1,211,485       3.74    0.036   124,214
>> 9       AS7992  COGECOWAVE - Cogeco Cable
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 1,112,002
>> 3.43    0.033   114,014
>> 10      AS5645  TEKSAVVY - TekSavvy Solutions, Inc.
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 967,401 2.98
>> 0.029   99,188
>> 11      AS11260 EASTLINK-HSI - EastLink
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 695,598 2.15
>> 0.021   71,320
>> 12      AS47027 SEASIDE-COMM - Seaside Communications, Inc.
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 425,561 1.31
>> 0.013   43,633
>> 13      AS803   SASKTEL - Saskatchewan Telecommunications
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 392,186 1.21
>> 0.012   40,211
>> 14      AS11814 DISTRIBUTEL-AS11814 - DISTRIBUTEL COMMUNICATIONS LTD.
>> CA<https://stats.labs.apnic.net/cgi-bin/aspop?c=CA> 370,348 1.14
>> 0.011   37,972
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

-- 
Best Regards,
Filip Hruska
Linux System Administrator


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