EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers opposed to FCC privacy repeal

Wed Mar 29 07:05:51 UTC 2017

Even though your example is a bit melodramatic I agree with the concept,
all the arguments against the ownership that users have on their own
data is just hogwash.

If there needs to be government imposed regulations to ensure it, I have
zero problems with it.

On 29/03/2017 03:19, Mel Beckman wrote:
> What about bank robbery? Little ISPs could supplement their incomes using that immoral revenue stream too. The ends don't justify the means. Browsing history belongs to the user, not the ISP. Robbing users of this data is not justified just because it would give ISPs -- of any size -- a new revenue stream.
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>  -mel beckman
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>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
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>> What about little ISPs? There are already monetization platforms out there that can be resold to small ISPs. The company sells the aggregate data upstream. Not that I would, but in a small ISP, that money makes a big difference. 
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>> Mike Hammett 
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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>> The Brothers WISP 
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From: "Mel Beckman" <mel at beckman.org> 
>> To: "Hugo Slabbert" <hugo at slabnet.com> 
>> Cc: nanog at nanog.org 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:08:19 PM 
>> Subject: Re: EFF Call for sign-ons: ISPs, networking companies and engineers opposed to FCC privacy repeal 
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>> Hugo, 
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>> That's a great find! I note in the article: 
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>> "Not only is the price of the premier service (with ads) only $70 a month, but it comes with a waiver of equipment, installation, and activation fees. The standard service without ads is $99 a month..." 
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>> So that's $29 a month to let AT&T track your Web browsing, but only for targeting ads. ATT promises "And we won’t sell your personal information to anyone, for any reason." 
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>> I would guess that the ability to sell that data would be worth several times the $29/month, so it's conceivable that a provider could offer $10/mo Gig Internet in exchange for browsing history. 
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>> But nobody does. 
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>> Because they think they can steal it. 
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>> I think this pretty well demonstrates the greed of the big-ISP executives who lobbied for today's legislative atrocity, which lets them rob customers of browsing history that even AT&T execs acknowledge users own. 
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>> -mel beckman 
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>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Hugo Slabbert <hugo at slabnet.com<mailto:hugo at slabnet.com>> wrote: 
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>> Now, if ISPs want to PURCHASE browser data from customers directly, I'm 
>> sure they'll get some takers. But that strategy has never appeared in 
>> any business plan I've seen. 
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>> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/att-offers-gigabit-internet-discount-in-exchange-for-your-web-history/ ? 
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