Waste will kill ipv6 too

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Fri Dec 29 02:12:01 CST 2017

You should go directly to ARIN, get a proper ISP allocation the size you need and have your upstream route that. 


> On Dec 28, 2017, at 17:46, Michael Crapse <michael at wi-fiber.io> wrote:
> As a small local ISP, our upstream isn't willing to give us more than a
> /48, their statement "Here's a /48 that will give you unlimited addresses
> that you'll never run out of". Therefore we give businesses /60s and
> residentials /64. If only we could do as suggested here and give everyone a
> /48, hah. It would be awesome if we could get an AS number but as we're not
> multihomed, nor big enough to warrant ARIN paying us attention, we're at
> the mercy of our upstream who also unwilling to part with more than a
> single ipv4 /24 at a $300/mo surcharge, and forcing us into buying ipv4
> subnets that have been randomly blacklisted on sites such as HULU, netflix,
> or others.
> I agree with the sentiment that we should have only 48 bits in the
> networking portion as that does allow a 48bit mac to exist. mac collisions
> happen so little, that it would make more sense for DAD to step in if it
> does occur. Most hardware addresses are changeable anyway and should
> probably be changed if on the same network. I am inexperienced enough to
> not understand any necessary usefulness of a /64 network mask over a /80.
>> On 28 December 2017 at 18:34, Scott Weeks <surfer at mauigateway.com> wrote:
>> :: Now think about scaling.
>> Yes
>> :: If the population doubles, we're now down to four spare /3s.
>> :: If that doubled population doubles the number of devices,
>> :: we're down to two spare /3s.  If the population doubles
>> :: again, there will be no civilization left, let alone an
>> :: Internet.  Etc.  So realistically, the current address space
>> :: allocation policies can handle a doubling of the planet's
>> :: population, with each person having a quarter of a million
>> :: addressable nodes.  Each node having its own /64 to address
>> :: individual endpoints within whatever that 'node' represents.
>> Space: the final IP frontier
>> These are the voyages of the range of IPv6
>> Its many-year mission:
>> to explore strange new device implementations;
>> to seek out new planet-covering nano-device applications and new ad-hoc
>> networking technologies;
>> to boldly go via DTN where no internet segment has gone before.
>> <cue space-like music>
>> :: Isn't this the utopia we've been seeking out?
>> I like that one! :-)
>> scott

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