# Waste will kill ipv6 too

Mel Beckman mel at beckman.org
Wed Dec 20 21:46:24 CST 2017

```And something in the message stream tried to convert my elegantly computed result into a phone number. Sigh.

-mel

> On Dec 20, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Mel Beckman <mel at beckman.org> wrote:
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> Bill,
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> You are correct.
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> As a double check, I divided 340282366920938463463374607431768211456 by 4294967296, getting  79228162514264<tel:79%20228%20162%20514%20264>337593543950336<tel:337%20593%20543%20950%20336>, which is 28.8 orders of magnitude :)
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> -mel
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> On Dec 20, 2017, at 12:58 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Mel Beckman <mel at beckman.org<mailto:mel at beckman.org>> wrote:
> I won’t do the math for you, but you’re circumcising the mosquito here. We didn’t just increase our usable space by 2 orders of magnitude. It’s increased more than 35 orders of magnitude.
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> Hi Mel,
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> The gain is just shy of 29 orders of magnitude. 2^128 / 2^32 = 7.9*10^28.
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> There are 2^128 = 3.4*10^38 IPv6 addresses, but that isn't 38 "orders of magnitude." Orders of magnitude describes a difference between one thing and another, in this case the IPv4 and IPv6 address spaces.
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> Using a /64 for P2P links is no problem, really. Worrying about that is like a scuba diver worrying about how many air molecules are surrounding the boat on the way out to sea.
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> It's not a problem, exactly, but it cuts the gain vs. IPv4 from ~29 orders of magnitude to just 9 orders of magnitude. Your link which needed at most 2 bits of IPv4 address space now consumes 64 bits of IPv6 address space.
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> Then we do /48s from which the /64s are assigned and we lose another 3 or so orders of magnitude... Sparsely allocate those /48s for another order of magnitude. From sparsely allocated ISP blocks for another order of magnitude. It slips away faster than you might think.
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> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
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