Virtual or Remote Peering

Mike Hammett nanog at
Thu Aug 17 11:41:45 UTC 2017

A company you have a contractual arrangement with vs. random operators of which neither you nor the end party have any relationship with. Which one's unreliable, again? 

>From a technical perspective: 
router located with IX > wave to IX > switched PtP\PtMP to IX > remote peering service > transit 

Fiscally, it's almost the other way around, with where transit goes being variable based on locations and volumes. 

Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Måns Nilsson" <mansaxel at> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog at> 
Cc: nanog at 
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:42:21 AM 
Subject: Re: Virtual or Remote Peering 

Subject: Re: Virtual or Remote Peering Date: Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 08:02:47AM -0500 Quoting Mike Hammett (nanog at 

>>> How well does this service work? I understand it usually involves point-to-multipoint Switched Ethernet with VLANs and resold IX ports. Sounds like a service for ISP that would like to peer, but have relatively small volumes for peering purposes or lopsided volumes. 

>> Its like buying regular ip-transit, but worse. 

> That seems to be a rather lopsided opinion. 

You get connections to other operators over an unreliable path that you 
have no control over, and the opportunities to keep traffic local are 
limited. Adding to that, it is all your fault since your provider does 
not do L3 and can claim a very passive rôle in the process. 

Like transit, but worse. 

Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina 
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