US/Canada International border concerns for routing

Wed Aug 9 13:25:09 UTC 2017

I am not sure that this answers your question, but carriers are looking for more diversity on cross border traffic. Right now virtually all Toronto/NYC runs through Buffalo and 350 Main, Buffalo. May be Montreal/NYC has more options.

There have been huge network builds in the US Northeast by Unite and Firstlight, which are providing optical backhaul from cell towers. So more routing options may be available than in the past.

An issue that no one discussed in the age of the fiber. The big carriers and the Web Giants do not want to 1998 manufactured fiber. And some of the Web Giants are only putting 4x 100 gig waves per fiber pair. So the incentive to create new diverse routes with new large fiber builds is growing.

- R.

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From: NANOG <nanog-bounces at nanog.org> on behalf of Constantine A. Murenin <mureninc at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 1:54 AM
To: Hiers, David
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Subject: Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing

On 20/07/2017, Hiers, David <David.Hiers at cdk.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> We're looking to extend some services into Canada.  While our lawyers dig
> into it, I thought that I'd ask the hive mind about border restrictions.
>
> For traffic routing, is anyone constraining cross-border routing between
> Canada and the US?  IOW, if you are routing from Toronto to Montreal, do you
> have to guarantee that the path cannot go through, say, Syracuse, New York?

Guarantee to whom?

Back a few years ago when I looked into it, most of the traffic within
Canada went through the US, e.g., since Bell didn't want to peer with
anyone in Canada, you'd go something like YYZ - ORD - YYZ, clearly
visible through the traceroute.

Possibly somewhat better nowadays — there's been quite a few new IX
POPs that popped up — but I doubt the scenario is a thing of the past.

P.S.  Just for the giggles — checked http://lg.he.net/ routing from
Looking Glass - Hurricane Electric (AS6939)<http://lg.he.net/>
lg.he.net
Hurricane Electric (AS6939) Network Looking Glass

core1.tor1.he.net to www.bell.ca<http://www.bell.ca> — still goes through Chicago, to
[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Bell_logo.svg/120px-Bell_logo.svg.png]<http://www.bell.ca/>

Bell Canada - Mobile phones, TV, Internet and Home phone ...<http://www.bell.ca/>
www.bell.ca
Bell is Canada's largest telecommunications company, providing Mobile phone, TV, high speed and wireless Internet, and residential Home phone services.

Montreal, from Toronto. :-)  Going straight to Montreal,
core1.ymq1.he.net, will route you to www.bell.ca<http://www.bell.ca> (still in Montreal)
[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Bell_logo.svg/120px-Bell_logo.svg.png]<http://www.bell.ca/>

Bell Canada - Mobile phones, TV, Internet and Home phone ...<http://www.bell.ca/>
www.bell.ca
Bell is Canada's largest telecommunications company, providing Mobile phone, TV, high speed and wireless Internet, and residential Home phone services.

through the peering at NYC.

P.P.S.  In other words — if someone wants guarantees, they better
explicitly ask you for it.

Cheers,
Constantine.
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