BCP38 adoption "incentives"?

Mark Andrews marka at isc.org
Thu Sep 29 20:57:52 UTC 2016

Even if the customers are unaware of the spoofed traffic, ISPs
should be aware which leaves them open for "aiding and abetting".
This doesn't require inspecting the payload of the packets.  This
is the IP header which they are expected to examine and for which
there is a BCP saying to drop spoofed packets.  Sources are used
for policy routing so the source field is expected to be processed.

I would expect a Judge to take into consideration the BCP in deciding
whether a ISP should be aware of the issue when deciding if a ISP
is aiding and abetting by allowing spoofed packets to enter their


In message <b01d17bf-c4fe-4a60-0f1e-f7c2e61c5650 at pubnix.net>, Alain Hebert writes:
>     Well there is money to be made in DDoS protection...  See our
> "friends" still hosting "those" pay sites.
>     Do not expect the vendors to cut themself of that market.
> -----
> Alain Hebert                                ahebert at pubnix.net   
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> On 09/29/16 11:31, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> > In a message written on Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 08:44:35PM +0000, White, Andrew wrote:
> >> This assumes the ISP manages the customer's CPE or home router, which is often not the case. Adding such ACLs
>  to the upstream device, operated by the ISP, is not always easy or feasible.
> > Unicast RFP should be a feature every ISP requires of all edge
> > devices for at least 15 years now.  It should be on by default for
> > virtually all connections, and disabled only by request or when
> > there are circumstances to suggest it would break things (e.g. a
> > request for BGP with full tables over the link).
> >
> > At this point there's no excuse, anyone who has gear who can't do
> > that has been asleep at the switch.  It's been a standard feature
> > in too much gear for too long.
> >
Mark Andrews, ISC
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