NANOG67 - Tipping point of community and sponsor bashing?

Thu Jun 16 16:07:04 UTC 2016

>> This thread is full of people who have never run large L2 networks
>> stating their opinions on running large L2 networks, and they
>> invariably underestimate their complexity and the logistics required.

* randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) [Thu 16 Jun 2016, 17:56 CEST]:
>maybe the complexity and the logistics required are WHY they don't build
>large L2 networks.  SMITH: Doctor, it hurts when I do this. DALE: Don't
>do that.

Wait.  I thought vijay "your solution doesn't scale" gill was a hero
of the NANOG community, but now you're telling me that actually
scaling up is a sin?

>> sFlow statistics isn't a luxury function.  Neither is remote peering.
>by 'remote peering' do you mean an exchange essentially selling transit?

I mean the common practice of connecting via a L2 pseudowire with 
a provider that has an arrangement with the IXP to do so, rather than 
putting a router in a datacenter the IXP is in and then connecting to 
that router  with possibly the same provider to the rest of your network.
Mikael Abrahamsson probably meant the same thing when he used the term 
two mails upthread.

	-- Niels.