Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks

McDonald Richards mcdonald.richards at gmail.com
Thu Jul 28 18:24:58 UTC 2016


Be sure to let us all know how this works out for your business.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 10:35 AM, J. Oquendo <joquendo at e-fensive.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Jul 2016, Naslund, Steve wrote:
>
> > You obviously have a much shorter Internet memory than some of the
> engineers on here that have had a long history of killing off and
> blacklisting various spam and malware operations over the years.  I think
> the one thing that has changed is that the service providers are now large
> corporate entities that do not take going to war with each other as lightly
> as we did back in the day.
> >
> > Steven Naslund
> > Chicago IL
>
> It is this same attitude that throws everything into the
> loop we are seeing: "Well Mega Corporation is allowing it
> and we can't stop them lest we want to go to war with
> them." Define war. What will they do if you de-peer? They
> will find another provider to peer with it. That is it.
> There is no "war" no one is coming to our offices in full
> military gear. The more you guys allow this, the more it
> will continue.
>
> Start de-peering companies similar to BGP Dampening. "Oh
> didn't respond to our Nthousandth abuse. De-peered for N
> amount of time. Increment the time, and when some of these
> providers start seeing the cost of associating with these
> types of crimes (spam, malware), they have a choice, ship
> in or ship out. If ALL PROVIDERS did the same, who would
> a dirty host have left to peer with?
>
> Any other answer is nonsense and an excuse... "This will
> start a war!!!" Nonsense and quite possibly the sorriest
> excuse I have read for lifting a finger. 100 more people
> with the same response, means nothing will ever get done.
> OTOH ... Let's go back to "OMG THIS HAS TO STOP BUT I AM
> NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE LIFTING A FINGER!!! Because...
> ERMAHGERD WAR"
>
>
>
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> J. Oquendo
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