Canada joins the 21st century !

Mike Hammett nanog at
Sat Dec 24 21:11:34 UTC 2016

Most of the areas without sufficient speed can be addressed with fixed wireless, but usually the regulators become as much of a hindrance as a help. LOS customers are no problem via 5 GHz, but they've drug their feet in allocating useful rules for 3600 and under 700 MHz. 

Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

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From: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl at> 
To: nanog at 
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2016 1:08:17 PM 
Subject: Re: Canada joins the 21st century ! 

We have customers with 150/30 Mbps service on DSL and next year we will 
get 300 Mbps. We are just renting access, it is the ILEC that decided to 
make a large roll out with vectoring, pair bonding and VDSL2 annex 35b. 

I would say that the majority around here can get at least 50/10 from 
DSL. There is of course also large areas were you can not. In many cases 
these areas can be "fixed" by adding another DSLAM closer to the users. 

We are actually primary a FTTH provider. I just want to point out that 
you need to be aware of what DSL can do if someone decides to invest in 
it. It can do 50/10. It will never be able to do the 1000/1000 FTTH that 
we are selling at $44 USD/month. Cable might be able to compete with 
that too however. The same ILEC also owns most of the cable network and 
they are rolling out DOCSIS 3.1 with plans to sell 1000 Mbps next year. 



Den 22/12/2016 kl. 15.59 skrev Jean-Francois Mezei: 
> This is more of an FYI. 
> Yesterday, the CRTC released a big decision on broadband. In 2011, the 
> same process resulted in CRTC to not declare the Internet as "basic 
> service" and to set speed goals to 1990s 5/1. 
> Yesterday, the CRTC declared the Internet to be a basic service (which 
> enables additional regulatory powers) and set speed goals to 50/10. 
> Note that this is not a definition of broadband as the FCC had done, it 
> one of many criteria that will be weighted when proposal to get funding 
> is received. But hopefully, it means the end of deployment of DSL. 
> Also, as a result of declaring it a basic service, the CRTC enables 
> powers to force ISPs to contrtibute to a fund that will be used to 
> subsidize deplooyment in rural areas. 
> It plans to collect $100 million/year, increasing by $25m each year to 
> top at $200m which will then be distributed to companies who deploy 
> internet to unserved areas. 
> By setting the speed standard to 50/10, it basically marks any territory 
> not served by cableco as underserved since telco's copper can't reliably 
> deliver those speeds. 
> Nothing happens for now because a "follow up" process is needed to 
> decide how the funding mechanism will work (what portions of a companies 
> revenues are counted to calculated its mandated contribution to fund) 
> and how the process of bidding for subsidies will work. That could take 
> 1 to 2 years. 
> Also in the decision is the phasing out of the equivalent programme for 
> POTS which saw telephone deployed everywhere. The difference is that the 
> POTS program had an "obligation to serve" whereas the internet doesn't. 

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