How to force rapid ipv6 adoption

Owen DeLong owen at
Sat Oct 3 19:26:18 UTC 2015

> On Oct 2, 2015, at 07:48 , Cryptographrix <cryptographrix at> wrote:
> For ISPs that already exist, what benefit do they get from
> providing/allowing IPv6 transit to their customers?
> Keep in mind that the net is now basically another broadcast medium.

It really isn’t. If it were, you wouldn’t have sites like Facebook, Youtube, etc. hosting so much UGC.

The net is a two-way medium and it’s getting more and more bidirectional, not less so.

Sure, there’s still lots of passively consumed content, but there’s more and more interactivity as well.

The benefit to providing/allowing IPv6 transit to their customers is the ability to remain in business. There is a time coming when there will be IPv6-only features and/or content on the internet due to the shortage of IPv4 addresses. We’re already seeing higher performance and better throughput on IPv6 due to not having to deal with NAT (and possibly other causes) where it is implemented (See data from Facebook & VZW for example).

In most cases, the costs of deploying IPv6 in an existing network are not that high, so providing a better user experience to your customers is usually a net win.


> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:33 AM Steve Mikulasik <Steve.Mikulasik at>
> wrote:
>> I think more focus needs to be for carriers to deliver dual stack to their
>> customers door step, whether they demand/use it or not. Small ISPs are
>> probably in the best position to do this and will help push the big boys
>> along with time. If we follow the network effect (reason why IPv4 lives and
>> IPv6 is slowly growing), IPv6 needs more nodes, all other efforts are
>> meaningless if they do not result in more users having IPv6 delivered to
>> their door.
>> I think people get too lost in the weeds when they start focusing on
>> device support, home router support, user knowledge, etc. Just get it
>> working to the people and we can figure out the rest later.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at] On Behalf Of Mark Andrews
>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 6:01 PM
>> To: Matthew Newton <mcn4 at>
>> Cc: nanog at
>> Subject: Re: How to force rapid ipv6 adoption
>> In message <20151001232613.GD123100 at>, Matthew Newton
>> writes:
>> Additionally it is now a OLD addressing protocol.  We are about to see
>> young adults that have never lived in a world without IPv6.  It may not
>> have been universally available when they were born but it was available.
>> There are definitely school leavers that have never lived in a world where
>> IPv6 did not exist.  My daughter will be one of them next year when she
>> finishes year 12.  IPv6 is 7 months older than she is.
>> Some of us have been running IPv6 in production for over a decade now and
>> developing products that support IPv6 even longer.
>> We have had 17 years to build up a universal IPv6 network.  It should have
>> been done by now.
>> Mark
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