How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption")
nanog at ics-il.net
Sat Oct 3 19:00:40 UTC 2015
I followed up later, but so that it doesn't look like I'm ignoring you, if I were to take a /32 at my ISP, my ARIN fee would quadruple. I can't justify that.
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com>
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net>
Cc: "nanog group" <nanog at nanog.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2015 1:56:58 PM
Subject: Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption")
How do you figure that?
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 04:14 , Mike Hammett <nanog at ics-il.net> wrote:
> Not all providers are large enough to justify a /32.
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Philip Dorr" <tagno25 at gmail.com>
> To: "Rob McEwen" <rob at invaluement.com>
> Cc: "nanog group" <nanog at nanog.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2015 11:14:35 PM
> Subject: Re: How to wish you hadn't forced ipv6 adoption (was "How to force rapid ipv6 adoption")
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Rob McEwen <rob at invaluement.com> wrote:
>> On 10/1/2015 11:44 PM, Mark Andrews wrote:
>>> IPv6 really isn't much different to IPv4. You use sites /48's
>>> rather than addresses /32's (which are effectively sites). ISP's
>>> still need to justify their address space allocations to RIR's so
>>> their isn't infinite numbers of sites that a spammer can get.
>> A /48 can be subdivided into 65K subnets. That is 65 *THOUSAND*... not the
>> 256 IPs that one gets with an IPv4 /24 block. So if a somewhat legit hoster
>> assigns various /64s to DIFFERENT customers of theirs... that is a lot of
>> collateral damage that would be caused by listing at the /48 level, should
>> just one customer be a bad-apple spammer, or just one legit customer have a
>> compromised system one day.
> As a provider (ISP or Hosting), you should hand the customers at a
> minimum a /56, if not a /48. The provider should have at a minimum a
> /32. If the provider is only giving their customers a /64, then they
> deserve all the pain they receive.
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