How to force rapid ipv6 adoption

Curtis Maurand cmaurand at xyonet.com
Fri Oct 2 06:14:05 UTC 2015


You make a point, but those ipv6  addresses would not be a available to my cpe.  I would agree that if your cpe is less than 5 years old, it should support ipv6. 

On October 2, 2015 12:30:56 AM ADT, Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org> wrote:
>
>In message <2BB18527-2F9C-4FEE-95DD-3F89919A8049 at xyonet.com>, Curtis
>Maurand wr
>ites:
>> If Time Warner (my ISP) put up IPv6  tomorrow, my firewall would no
>longer wo
>> rk.  I could put up a pfsnse or vyatta  box pretty quickly, but my
>off the sh
>> elf Cisco/Linksys  home router has no ipv6 support hence the need to
>replace 
>> the hardware.  There's no firmware update for it supporting ipv6
>either.  The
>> re would be millions of people in the same boat.
>
>Total garbage that *everyone* here should recognise as total garbage.
>If Time Warner turned on IPv6 your firewall would just continue to
>work as it always has.  TURNING ON IPv6 DOES NOT TURN OFF IPV4.
>
>As for millions of people needing to upgrade their CPE equipement
>you really should be asking yourself if you should be rewarding
>those vendors for selling you IPv4 only equipement in the first
>place.  If Microsoft, along with lots of other vendors could deliver
>IPv6 capable equipment in 2001, your and every other CPE vendor
>could have done so.  Instead they sold you out of date garbage that
>you happily accepted.
>
>Mark
>
>> Cheers, 
>> Curtis
>> 
>> On October 1, 2015 5:44:46 PM ADT, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Oct 1, 2015, at 12:06 , Curtis Maurand <cmaurand at xyonet.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> On 10/1/2015 2:29 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> >>>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 00:39 , Baldur Norddahl
>> ><baldur.norddahl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> On 1 October 2015 at 03:26, Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org> wrote:
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> Windows XP does IPv6 fine so long as there is a IPv4 recursive
>> >>>>> server available.  It's just a simple command to install IPv6.
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>>        netsh interface ipv6 install
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>> If the customer knew how to do that he wouldn't still be using
>> >Windows XP.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> Actually I don't expect Gmail and Facebook to be IPv4 only
>> >forever.
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>> Gmail and Facebook are already dual stack enabled. But I do not
>see
>> >>>> Facebook turning off IPv4 for a very long time. Therefore a
>> >customer that
>> >>>> only uses the Internet for a few basic things will be able to
>get
>> >along
>> >>>> with being IPv4-only for a very long time.
>> >>>> 
>> >>> Yes and no���
>> >>> 
>> >>> I think you are right about facebook.
>> >>> 
>> >>> However, I think eventually the residential ISPs are going to
>start
>> >charging extra
>> >>> for IPv4 service. Some residences may pay for it initially, but
>if
>> >they think there���s a
>> >>> way to move away from it and the ISPs start fingerpointing to the
>> >specific laggards,
>> >>> you���ll see a groundswell of consumers pushing to find
>alternatives.
>> >>> 
>> >>> Owen
>> >>> 
>> >> ipv6 is going to force a lot of consumers to replace hardware.
>Worse,
>> >it's not easy to set up and get right as ipv4 is.
>> >> 
>> >> --Curtis
>> >
>> >You���re going to have to elaborate on that one���. I think IPv6 is
>> >actually quite a bit easier than IPv4, so please explicate
>> >in what ways it is harder to set up and get right?
>> >
>> >For the average household, it���s plug the IPv6-capable router in
>and let
>> >it go.
>> >
>> >For more advanced environments, it might take nearly as much effort
>as
>> >IPv4 and the unfamiliarity might add a couple
>> >of additional challenges the first time, but once you get past that,
>> >IPv6 has a lot of features that actually make it
>> >easier than IPv4.
>> >
>> >Not having to deal with NAT being just one of the big ones.
>> >
>> >Owen
>> 
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