How to force rapid ipv6 adoption

Mark Andrews marka at
Thu Oct 1 22:28:13 UTC 2015

In message <4F2E19BA-D92A-4BEC-86E2-33B405C307BE at>, Owen DeLong writes:
> > On Oct 1, 2015, at 13:55 , Grzegorz Janoszka <Grzegorz at>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 2015-10-01 20:29, Owen DeLong wrote:
> >> However, I think eventually the residential ISPs are going to start
> charging extra
> >> for IPv4 service.
> >
> > ISP's will not charge too much. With too expensive IPv4 many customers
> will migrate from v4/dual stack to v6-only and ISP's will be left with
> unused IPv4 addresses and less income.
> Nope… They’ll be left with unused IPv4 addresses which is not a
> significant source of income and they’ll be able to significantly reduce
> the costs incurred
> in supporting things like CGNAT.
> > Will ISP's still find other profitable usage for v4 addresses? If not,
> they will be probably be quite slowly rising IPv4 pricing, not wanting to
> overprice it.
> Probably they will sell it to business customers instead of the
> residential customers. However, we’re talking about relatively large
> numbers of customers
> for relatively small numbers of IPv4 addresses that aren’t producing
> revenue directly at this time anyway.
> > Even with $1/IPv4/month - what will be the ROI of a brand new home
> router?
> About 2.5 years at that price since a brand new home router is about $29.
> Owen

The hard part is the internet connected TV's and other stuff which
fetches content over the internet which are IPv4 only despite being
released when IPv6 existed.  These are theoretically upgradable to
support IPv6 so long as the manufactures release a IPv6 capable
image.  The real question is will governments force them to do this.

Upgrading the router is a no brainer.  Upgrading the TV, games
consoles, e-readers, etc. starts to add up.

Mark Andrews, ISC
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