Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?

Clay Curtis clay584 at
Fri Nov 20 18:00:58 UTC 2015

This is just the start.  Providers will push the limits slowly and will
eventually get to where they want to be.  t-mob is doing this in such a way
that consumer's will not object.  When the general public doesn't object
(because they are getting "free" data) that makes it a lot easier for the
FCC to look past the fact that this is a violation of basic net
neutrality.  Reminds me of the boiling frog analogy (


On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Blake Hudson <blake at> wrote:

> It's not. And that's the point.
> This proposal, and ones similar, stifle growth of applications. If there
> are additional (artificial) burdens for operating in a field it becomes
> harder to get into. Because it's harder to get into, fewer operators
> compete. [Note, we just reduced open competition, one tenet of Net
> Neutrality]  Because there are fewer operators there will be less
> competition. Less competition increases prices and fewer customers take the
> service. Because few people use the application, the network operator has
> no incentive to support the application well.  [Note, we just reduced the
> freedom to run applications] Because the network doesn't support the
> application well, few people use the application. It's circular and it
> slows growth.
> Just because there may be inherent challenges to offering an application
> (bandwidth, for example), doesn't mean that adding another one (per
> application bandwidth caps) is desirable.
> Josh Reynolds wrote on 11/20/2015 11:29 AM:
>> How much medical imaging and video conference and online backup is
>> done over cell networks? Those are very high bandwidth tasks that
>> would quickly suck up a data cap. Until LTE came along, doing that was
>> often hit/miss as far as the reliability of the connection and the
>> speed.
>> In an area with LTE, there are often better connectivity options. In
>> an area without LTE, well, how much medical imaging and data backup is
>> done over those 3G and satellite connections?
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Blake Hudson <blake at> wrote:
>>> Considering T-Mobile's proposal is intended to favor streaming music and
>>> video services, I think it clearly violates net neutrality which is
>>> intended
>>> to not only promote competition in existing applications, but also in new
>>> (possibly undeveloped) applications. This proposal simply entrenches
>>> streaming video/music by artificially reducing the cost to operators in
>>> these fields while leaving costs the same for operators in other fields -
>>> medical imaging, video conferencing, online backup, etc. I believe the
>>> sum
>>> affect is a reduction in competition and growth of the internet as a
>>> whole,
>>> the antithesis to the spirit of net neutrality.

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