Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?

Fri Nov 20 17:03:24 UTC 2015

That is much better than I thought. Although, I don't think the person who wrote this understands what UDP is.

"Use of technology protocols that are demonstrated to prevent video stream detection, such as User Datagram Protocol “UDP” on any platform will exclude video streams from that content provider"

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From: Ian Smith [mailto:I.Smith at F5.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 9:52 AM
To: Steve Mikulasik <Steve.Mikulasik at civeo.com>; Shane Ronan <shane at ronan-online.com>; nanog at nanog.org
Subject: RE: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?

http://www.t-mobile.com/content/dam/tmo/en-g/pdf/BingeOn-Video-Technical-Criteria-November-2015.pdf

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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mikulasik
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 11:37 AM
To: Shane Ronan <shane at ronan-online.com>; nanog at nanog.org
Subject: RE: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?

What are these technical requirements? I feel like these would punish small upstarts well helping protect large incumbent services from competition. 

Even if you don't demand payment, you can still hurt the fairness of the internet this way. 

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From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Shane Ronan
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 9:25 AM
To: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Re: Binge On! - And So This is Net Neutrality?

T-Mobile claims they are not accepting any payment from these content providers for inclusion in Binge On.

"Onstage today, Legere said any company can apply to join the Binge On program. "Anyone who can meet our technical requirement, we’ll include," 
he said. "This is not a net neutrality problem." Legere pointed to the fact that Binge On doesn't charge providers for inclusion and customers don't pay to access it."
http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/10/9704482/t-mobile-uncarrier-binge-on-netflix-hbo-streaming

On 11/20/15 10:45 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> According to:
>
>    
> http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/20/fcc-chairman-gives-t-mobiles-binge-
> on-the-thumbs-up/
>
> Chairman Wheeler thinks that T-mob's new "customers can get uncapped 
> media stream data, but only from the people we like" service called 
> Binge On is pro-competition.
>
> My take on this is that the service is *precisely* what Net Neutrality 
> was supposed to prevent -- carriers offering paid fast-lanes to 
> content providers -- and that this is anti-competitive to the sort of 
> "upstart YouTube" entities that NN was supposed to protect...
>
> and that *that* is the competition that NN was supposed to protect.
>
> And I just said the same thing two different ways.
>
> Cause does anyone here think that T-mob is giving those *carriers* 
> pride of place *for free*?
>
> Corporations don't - in my experience - give away lots of money out of 
> the goodness of their hearts.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jr 'whacky weekend' a