gmail security is a joke

Mark Andrews marka at
Wed May 27 00:36:34 UTC 2015

In message <20150526161151.GA14841 at>, Saku Ytti writes:
> On (2015-05-26 17:44 +0200), Owen DeLong wrote:
> Hey,
> > I think opt-out of password recovery choices on a line-item basis is not a
>  bad concept.
> This sounds reasonable. At least then you could decide which balance of
> risk/convenience fits their use-case for given service.
> > OTOH, recovery by receiving a token at a previously registered alternate e
> > mail address
> > seems relatively secure to me and I wouldn???t want to opt out of that.
> It's probably machine sent in seconds or minute after request, so doing
> short-lived BGP hijack of MX might be reasonably easy way to get the email.

Which is easily prevented by authenticating the MX when connecting.
Something which as been recommended practice for as long as SMTP
has existed. HELO provided weak authentication.  We now know and
documented how to do this securely on a global scale, we just need
to do it.  See draft-ietf-dane-smtp-with-dane.

You have added the TLSA records for you MTA and signed your zones?
You have updated your MTA to support DANE?

[ Need to nag ops to add TLSA records for the MX's.  We have them
for ]


Mark Andrews, ISC
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