symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

Wed Mar 4 16:26:00 UTC 2015

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Chuck Church <chuckchurch at gmail.com> wrote:
>         Since this has turned into a discussion on upload vs download speed, figured I'd throw in a point I haven't really brought up.  For the most part, uploading isn't really a time-sensitive activity to the general (as in 99% of the ) public.  Uploading a bunch of facebook photos, you hit upload, and then expect it to take x amount of time.  Could be 30 seconds, could be 30 minutes.  Everyone expects that wait.  Sending a large email attachment, you hit send, and then get back to doing something else.  There just aren't that many apps out there that have a dependence on time-sensitive upload performance.

But In the bufferbloated era, your upload just trashed he network for
everyone else on the link.

https://gettys.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/bufferbloat-demonstration-videos/

>          On download, of course no wants to see buffering on their cat videos or watching Netflix.  Thus the high speed download.  Honesty, I'm willing to bet that even a random sampling of NANOG people would show their download data quantity to be 10x what their upload quantity is in a day.  For average users, probably much more than 10x.  Why some folks are insisting upload is vital just can't be true for normal home users.
>         Those households trying to do 5 simultaneous Skype sessions aren't typical.

A geeky household with dad doing skype, mom uploading to facebook, a
kid doing a game, and another kid doing netflix, however, is common.
And, it is truly amazing how many households have more than one device
per person nowadays.

Small businesses (currently) have it worse, if any of the users try to
combine these things.

> Chuck
>

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