Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

Miles Fidelman mfidelman at
Mon Mar 2 21:28:58 UTC 2015

Barry Shein wrote:
>   > Anything based on NNTP would be extremely asymmetric without significant
>   > changes to the protocol or human behavior.
>   >
>   > We ran significant Usenet servers with binaries for nearly 20 years and
>   > without for another 5 and the servers' traffic was heavily asymmetric.
>   > On Mar 1, 2015 9:11 AM, "Miles Fidelman" <mfidelman at> wrote:

Hey Barry - just to be clear, twasn't I who made the claim - I'm the one 
who asked for your input re. Scott's claim!

> With all due respect it's like people act purposely obtuse just to
> argue.
> If you're a Usenet server (and most likely client) then it'll be
> somewhat symmetric.
> Depending on how many nodes you serve the bias could easily be towards
> upload bandwidth as msgs come in once (ideally) but you flood them to
> all the other servers you serve once per server, the entire traffic
> goes out multiple times, plus or minus various optimizations like
> "already have that msg" oh for the love of all that is good and holy
> do I have to type the entire NNTP protocol spec in here just to make
> sure there isn't some microscopic crack of light someone can use to
> misinterpret and/or pick nits about???
> What was the original question because I think this has degenerated
> into just argumentativeness, we're on the verge of spelling and
> grammar error flames.
> I don't know how anyone who claims to have run Usenet servers couldn't
> know all this, is it just trolling?

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In practice, there is.   .... Yogi Berra

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