Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless network setup?

Sat Jun 20 12:40:24 UTC 2015

Rafael,
At some scales, the WiFi standard alone will not cut it... Research on
MERUNETWORKS virtual cell tecnology. I have done a trial with them. All the
others are far behind on density. Check their case studies.
Em 20/06/2015 13:02, "Rafael Possamai" <rafael at gav.ufsc.br> escreveu:

> I don't think there's an actual standard for density, at least I am not
> aware of one. Independent of the vendor you use, this guide should be valid
> at 80% of implementations:
>
>
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/wireless/aironet-1250-series/design_guide_c07-693245.html
>
> On Meraki's website there's a case study of an entertainment venue that has
> about 2,000 users per night, so I am assuming 1,000 which is your cause
> should be doable.
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:41 AM, Sina Owolabi <notify.sina at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks everybody. I've been corrected on density... I've been informed
> that
> > it's to be a minimum of 1000 users per building.
> > That's 8,000 users. (8 buildings, not counting walkways and courtyards,
> > admin, etc.)
> > Does this qualify as high-density?
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:33 AM Ray Soucy <rps at maine.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I could certainly be wrong, but it's news to me if UBNT started
> > > supporting DFS in the US.
> > >
> > > Your first screenshot is listing the UAP for 5240 which is channel 48,
> > > U-NII-1.  The second show 5825 which is the upper limit of U-NNI-3.  I
> > > don't see any U-NII-2 in what you posted.
> > >
> > > This forum post may be a bit out of date, but I haven't seen any
> > > announcement or information on the forums to indicate the situation has
> > > changed, and I'm pretty good at searching:
> > >
> > > https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Wireless/DFS/m-p/700461#M54771
> > >
> > > From this thread it looks like the ability to configure DFS channels in
> > the
> > > US was a UI bug and only showing for ZH anyway.  IIRC they actually got
> > in
> > > a bit of trouble with the FCC over not restricting the use of these
> > > channels enough.
> > >
> > > Regardless of whether or not the FCC has cleared UBNT indoor products
> for
> > > U-NII-2 and U-NII-2-extended (and I haven't seen evidence of that yet),
> > > until you can configure APs to use those channels in the controller
> > without
> > > violating FCC regulations I don't consider them usable.
> > >
> > > The UAP-AC doesn't seem to support DFS channels at all even without FCC
> > > restrictions, which kind of kills the point of AC, only 4 x 40 MHz or
> 2 x
> > > 80 MHz channels doesn't cut it when we're talking about density.
> > >
> > > Note we're talking about indoor wireless and there ARE some UBNT
> products
> > > for outdoor WISP use that do support DFS and have been cleared by the
> > FCC,
> > > but we would only be looking at the UAP-PRO or UAP-AC in this case so
> > maybe
> > > that's the point of confusion here.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
> > faisal at snappytelecom.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > FCC Cert claims different.
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > Faisal Imtiaz
> > > > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > > > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > > > Miami, FL 33155
> > > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> > > >
> > > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support at Snappytelecom.net
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>
> > > > *To: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal at snappytelecom.net>
> > > > *Cc: *"NANOG list" <nanog at nanog.org>, "Ray Soucy" <rps at maine.edu>
> > > > *Sent: *Friday, June 19, 2015 9:16:37 PM
> > > >
> > > > *Subject: *Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless
> > network
> > > > setup?
> > > >
> > > > Uhm he's not wrong...
> > > >
> > > > Josh Luthman
> > > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > > Suite 1337
> > > > Troy, OH 45373
> > > > On Jun 19, 2015 9:13 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <faisal at snappytelecom.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> >>>The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they
> > don't
> > > >> support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits for 5
> > > GHz.
> > > >>
> > > >> Huh ????
> > > >>
> > > >> Please verify your facts before making blanket statements which are
> > not
> > > >> accurate ...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Faisal Imtiaz
> > > >> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: "Ray Soucy" <rps at maine.edu>
> > > >> > To: "Sina Owolabi" <notify.sina at gmail.com>
> > > >> > Cc: "nanog at nanog.org list" <nanog at nanog.org>
> > > >> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2015 7:07:01 PM
> > > >> > Subject: Re: Whats' a good product for a high-density Wireless
> > network
> > > >> setup?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I know you don't want to hear this answer because of cost but I've
> > had
> > > >> good
> > > >> > luck with Cisco for very high density (about 1,000 clients in a
> > packed
> > > >> > auditorium actively using the network as they follow along with
> the
> > > >> > presenter).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The thing you need to watch out for with Ubiquiti is that they
> don't
> > > >> > support DFS, so the entire U-NII-2 channel space is off limits
> for 5
> > > >> GHz.
> > > >> > That's pretty significant because you're limited to 9 x 20 MHz
> > > channels
> > > >> or
> > > >> > 4 x 40 MHz channels.  Keeping the power level down and creating
> > small
> > > >> cells
> > > >> > is essential for high density, so with less channels your hands
> are
> > > >> really
> > > >> > tied in that case.  Also, avoid the Zero Handoff marketing
> nonsense
> > > they
> > > >> > advertise; I'm sure it can work great for a low client residential
> > > area
> > > >> but
> > > >> > it requires all APs to share a single channel and depends upon
> > > >> coordinating
> > > >> > only one active transmitter at a time, so it simply won't scale.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I don't have experience with other vendors at large scale or high
> > > >> density.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I don't think what you're talking about is really high density
> > anymore
> > > >> > though.  That's just normal coverage.  Wireless is a lot more
> > > >> complicated
> > > >> > than selecting a vendor, though.  If you know what you're doing
> even
> > > >> > Ubiquiti could work decently, but if you don't even a Cisco
> solution
> > > >> won't
> > > >> > save you.  You really need to be on top of surveying correctly and
> > > >> having
> > > >> > appropriate AP placement and channel distribution.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Sina Owolabi <
> > notify.sina at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Hi
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > We are profiling equipment and design for an expected high user
> > > >> density
> > > >> > > network of multiple, close nit, residential/hostel units. Its
> > going
> > > >> to be
> > > >> > > 8-10 buildings with possibly a over 1000 users at any given
> time.
> > > >> > > We are looking at Ruckus and Ubiquiti as options to get over the
> > > high
> > > >> > > number of devices we are definitely going to encounter.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > How did you do it, and what would you advise for product and
> > layout?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Thanks in advance!
> > > >> > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Ray Patrick Soucy
> > > >> > Network Engineer
> > > >> > University of Maine System
> > > >> >
> > > >> > T: 207-561-3526
> > > >> > F: 207-561-3531
> > > >> >
> > > >> > MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
> > > >> > www.maineren.net
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ray Patrick Soucy
> > > Network Engineer
> > > University of Maine System
> > >
> > > T: 207-561-3526
> > > F: 207-561-3531
> > >
> > > MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network
> > > www.maineren.net
> > >
> >
>