eBay is looking for network heavies...

Sun Jun 7 03:57:38 UTC 2015

i’ll never make it past the telephone screen….

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On 6June2015Saturday, at 19:17, John Fraizer <john at op-sec.us> wrote:

> Just to be clear, CERTS are NOT a requirement for these positions. They
> will head-of-line someone for a phone screen. THAT IS ALL!  And if you've
> got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says you're
> an EXPERT.  I'm gonna expect you to be one!
> 
> John Fraizer
> --Sent from my Android phone.
> Please excuse any typos.
> On Jun 6, 2015 5:50 PM, "Randy" <randy_94108 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> $employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. Such
>> requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for
>> $day_job only without any real desire to understand how
>> things-actually-work&why.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: John Fraizer <john at op-sec.us>
>> To: Łukasz Bromirski <lukasz at bromirski.net>
>> Cc: nanog at nanog.org
>> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
>> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> It's just a piece of paper in my opinion.  A person either knows their
>> stuff or they don't.  Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if
>> they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them.  Sadly, I've spoken to
>> far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering how
>> many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for
>> smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them.
>> 
>> John Fraizer
>> --Sent from my Android phone.
>> Please excuse any typos.
>> On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "Łukasz Bromirski" <lukasz at bromirski.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared at puck.nether.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john at op-sec.us> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
>>> piece
>>>>> of paper every time!
>>>> 
>>>> Can you please put these at the back of the line?  My experience is
>> that
>>>> the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual
>>>> troubleshooting skills.  (or my standards of what defines “expert” are
>>>> different than the rest of the world).
>>> 
>>> Jared, don’t generalize.
>>> 
>>> True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not
>>> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
>>> didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
>>> 
>>> —
>>> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
>>> (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
>> 