eBay is looking for network heavies...

Sun Jun 7 00:47:58 UTC 2015

$employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs. Such requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for $day_job only without any real desire to understand how things-actually-work&why.

----- Original Message -----
From: John Fraizer <john at op-sec.us>
To: Łukasz Bromirski <lukasz at bromirski.net>
Cc: nanog at nanog.org
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

Folks,

It's just a piece of paper in my opinion.  A person either knows their
stuff or they don't.  Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know if
they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them.  Sadly, I've spoken to
far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering how
many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for
smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them.

John Fraizer
--Sent from my Android phone.
Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "Łukasz Bromirski" <lukasz at bromirski.net> wrote:

>
> > On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared at puck.nether.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john at op-sec.us> wrote:
> >>
> >> Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
> piece
> >> of paper every time!
> >
> > Can you please put these at the back of the line?  My experience is that
> > the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual
> > troubleshooting skills.  (or my standards of what defines “expert” are
> > different than the rest of the world).
>
> Jared, don’t generalize.
>
> True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not
> start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
> didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
>
> —
> CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
> (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course)