Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

Fri Feb 27 19:50:33 UTC 2015

Steve,

I'd be up in arms if all I had was a 1mbps uplink :)

Having said that, the 10 mbps I get from Comcast right now is more than I
need to do remote desktop, code check ins, and host of atypical uploading.

I am absolutely not against good upstream rates!  I do have a problem with
people saying that we must/should have symmetrical connectivity simply
because we don't see the market demand for that as of yet.

Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
(678) 507-5000
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Steve Clark <sclark at netwolves.com> wrote:

>  Scott,
>
> Maybe if it the upstream bandwidth was there would be more applications to
> use it. I know it is a real
> pain to upload pics to Facebook, etc on my 1mbs uplink, or move things to
> work across my VPN.
>
> Steve
>
> On 02/27/2015 02:30 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
> Daniel,
>
> Well, I wouldn't call using the mean a "myth", after all understanding most
> customer behavior is what we all have to build our business cases around.
> If we throw out what customers use today and simply take a build it and
> they will come approach then I suspect there would fewer of us in this
> business.
>
> Even when we look at anomalous users we don't see symmetrical usage, ie top
> 10% of uploaders.  We also see less contended seconds on their upstream
> than we do on the downstream.  These observations are based on ~500k
> residential and business subscribers across North America using FTTH
> (mostly GPON), DOCSIS cable modems, and various flavors of DSL.
>
>
> Scott Helms
> Vice President of Technology
> ZCorum(678) 507-5000
> --------------------------------http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
> --------------------------------
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Taylor <dtaylor at vocalabs.com> <dtaylor at vocalabs.com> wrote:
>
>
>  But by this you are buying into the myth of the mean.
>
> It isn't that most, or even many, people would take advantage of equal
> upstream bandwidth, but that the few who would need to take extra measures
> unrelated to the generation of that content to be able to do so.
>
> Given symmetrical provisioning, no extra measures need to be taken when
> that 10 year old down the street turns out to be a master musician.
>
> On 02/27/2015 11:59 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
>
>  This is true in our measurements today, even when subscribers are given
> symmetrical connections.  It might change at some point in the future,
> especially when widespread IPv6 lets us get rid of NAT as a de facto
> deployment reality.
>
>
> Scott Helms
> Vice President of Technology
> ZCorum(678) 507-5000
> --------------------------------http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
> --------------------------------
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Naslund, Steve <SNaslund at medline.com> <SNaslund at medline.com>
> wrote:
>
>  How about this?  Show me 10 users in the average neighborhood creating
>
>  content at 5 mbps....Period.  Only realistic app I see is home
> surveillance
> but I don't think you want everyone accessing that anyway.  The truth is
> that the average user does not create content that anyone needs to see.
> This has not changed throughout the ages, the ratio of authors to
> readers,
> artists to art lovers, musicians to music lovers, YouTube cat video
> creator
> to cat video lovers, has never been a many to many relationship.
>
> On 2015-02-27 12:13, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
>
>
>  Consider a group of 10 users, who all create new content.  If each one
> creates at a constant rate of 5 mbits, they need 5 up.  But to
> download all the new content from the other 9, they need close to 50
>
>
>  down.
>
>
>  And when you expand to several billion people creating new content,
> you need a *huge* pipe down.
>
>
>  Steven Naslund
> Chicago IL
>
>
>
>
>  --
> Daniel Taylor          VP Operations            Vocal Laboratories, Inc.dtaylor at vocalabs.com   http://www.vocalabs.com/            (612)235-5711
>
>
>
> --
> Stephen Clark
> *NetWolves Managed Services, LLC.*
> Director of Technology
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