Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

Fri Feb 27 19:42:29 UTC 2015

Scott,

Maybe if it the upstream bandwidth was there would be more applications to use it. I know it is a real
pain to upload pics to Facebook, etc on my 1mbs uplink, or move things to work across my VPN.

Steve

On 02/27/2015 02:30 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
> Daniel,
>
> Well, I wouldn't call using the mean a "myth", after all understanding most
> customer behavior is what we all have to build our business cases around.
> If we throw out what customers use today and simply take a build it and
> they will come approach then I suspect there would fewer of us in this
> business.
>
> Even when we look at anomalous users we don't see symmetrical usage, ie top
> 10% of uploaders.  We also see less contended seconds on their upstream
> than we do on the downstream.  These observations are based on ~500k
> residential and business subscribers across North America using FTTH
> (mostly GPON), DOCSIS cable modems, and various flavors of DSL.
>
>
> Scott Helms
> Vice President of Technology
> ZCorum
> (678) 507-5000
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> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
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>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Taylor <dtaylor at vocalabs.com> wrote:
>
>> But by this you are buying into the myth of the mean.
>>
>> It isn't that most, or even many, people would take advantage of equal
>> upstream bandwidth, but that the few who would need to take extra measures
>> unrelated to the generation of that content to be able to do so.
>>
>> Given symmetrical provisioning, no extra measures need to be taken when
>> that 10 year old down the street turns out to be a master musician.
>>
>> On 02/27/2015 11:59 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>>
>>> This is true in our measurements today, even when subscribers are given
>>> symmetrical connections.  It might change at some point in the future,
>>> especially when widespread IPv6 lets us get rid of NAT as a de facto
>>> deployment reality.
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Helms
>>> Vice President of Technology
>>> ZCorum
>>> (678) 507-5000
>>> --------------------------------
>>> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Naslund, Steve <SNaslund at medline.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   How about this?  Show me 10 users in the average neighborhood creating
>>>> content at 5 mbps....Period.  Only realistic app I see is home
>>>> surveillance
>>>> but I don't think you want everyone accessing that anyway.  The truth is
>>>> that the average user does not create content that anyone needs to see.
>>>> This has not changed throughout the ages, the ratio of authors to
>>>> readers,
>>>> artists to art lovers, musicians to music lovers, YouTube cat video
>>>> creator
>>>> to cat video lovers, has never been a many to many relationship.
>>>>
>>>> On 2015-02-27 12:13, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Consider a group of 10 users, who all create new content.  If each one
>>>>> creates at a constant rate of 5 mbits, they need 5 up.  But to
>>>>> download all the new content from the other 9, they need close to 50
>>>>>
>>>> down.
>>>>
>>>>> And when you expand to several billion people creating new content,
>>>>> you need a *huge* pipe down.
>>>>>
>>>> Steven Naslund
>>>> Chicago IL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> --
>> Daniel Taylor          VP Operations            Vocal Laboratories, Inc.
>> dtaylor at vocalabs.com   http://www.vocalabs.com/            (612)235-5711
>>
>>

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