Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality

Fri Feb 27 19:30:24 UTC 2015

Daniel,

Well, I wouldn't call using the mean a "myth", after all understanding most
customer behavior is what we all have to build our business cases around.
If we throw out what customers use today and simply take a build it and
they will come approach then I suspect there would fewer of us in this
business.

Even when we look at anomalous users we don't see symmetrical usage, ie top
10% of uploaders.  We also see less contended seconds on their upstream
than we do on the downstream.  These observations are based on ~500k
residential and business subscribers across North America using FTTH
(mostly GPON), DOCSIS cable modems, and various flavors of DSL.

Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
(678) 507-5000
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Taylor <dtaylor at vocalabs.com> wrote:

> But by this you are buying into the myth of the mean.
>
> It isn't that most, or even many, people would take advantage of equal
> upstream bandwidth, but that the few who would need to take extra measures
> unrelated to the generation of that content to be able to do so.
>
> Given symmetrical provisioning, no extra measures need to be taken when
> that 10 year old down the street turns out to be a master musician.
>
> On 02/27/2015 11:59 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
>> This is true in our measurements today, even when subscribers are given
>> symmetrical connections.  It might change at some point in the future,
>> especially when widespread IPv6 lets us get rid of NAT as a de facto
>> deployment reality.
>>
>>
>> Scott Helms
>> Vice President of Technology
>> ZCorum
>> (678) 507-5000
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>> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
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>>
>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Naslund, Steve <SNaslund at medline.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  How about this?  Show me 10 users in the average neighborhood creating
>>> content at 5 mbps....Period.  Only realistic app I see is home
>>> surveillance
>>> but I don't think you want everyone accessing that anyway.  The truth is
>>> that the average user does not create content that anyone needs to see.
>>> This has not changed throughout the ages, the ratio of authors to
>>> readers,
>>> artists to art lovers, musicians to music lovers, YouTube cat video
>>> creator
>>> to cat video lovers, has never been a many to many relationship.
>>>
>>> On 2015-02-27 12:13, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Consider a group of 10 users, who all create new content.  If each one
>>>> creates at a constant rate of 5 mbits, they need 5 up.  But to
>>>> download all the new content from the other 9, they need close to 50
>>>>
>>> down.
>>>
>>>> And when you expand to several billion people creating new content,
>>>> you need a *huge* pipe down.
>>>>
>>> Steven Naslund
>>> Chicago IL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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