Nat

Mon Dec 21 12:48:24 UTC 2015

It simply is not common and will not become common. Not everyone is a network engineer. 

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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Keith Medcalf" <kmedcalf at dessus.com> 
To: nanog at nanog.org 
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 10:06:26 PM 
Subject: RE: Nat 

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. If people choose to be the authors of their own misfortunes, that is their choice. I know a good many folks who are not members of NANOG yet have multiple separate L2 and L3 networks to keep the "crap" isolated. 

> -----Original Message----- 
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+kmedcalf=dessus.com at nanog.org] On Behalf 
> Of Mike Hammett 
> Sent: Sunday, 20 December, 2015 20:37 
> Cc: North American Network Operators Group 
> Subject: Re: Nat 
> 
> We can't get people to use passwords judiciously (create them at all for 
> WiFi, change them, use more than one, etc.) and now you want them to 
> manage networks? 
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> ----- 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: "Randy Fischer" <randy.fischer at gmail.com> 
> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog at ics-il.net> 
> Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" <nanog at nanog.org> 
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 9:34:16 PM 
> Subject: Re: Nat 
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> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog at ics-il.net > wrote: 
> 
> 
> Most people couldn't care less and just want the Internet on their device 
> to work. 
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> 
> Well, if the best practice for CPE routers included as a matter of course 
> the subnets "connected to internet", "local only (e.g. IoT)" and "guest 
> network", and if they just worked, then they wouldn't mind that either. 
> 
> 
> A friend of mine used to refer to this as 'refrigerator consciousness" - 
> he was a gearhead, so it was a pejorative. Instead, I think of it as a 
> design goal. 
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> 
> -Randy Fischer 
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