Mike Hammett nanog at
Mon Dec 21 03:36:39 UTC 2015

We can't get people to use passwords judiciously (create them at all for WiFi, change them, use more than one, etc.) and now you want them to manage networks? 

Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Randy Fischer" <randy.fischer at> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog at> 
Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" <nanog at> 
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 9:34:16 PM 
Subject: Re: Nat 

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Mike Hammett < nanog at > wrote: 

Most people couldn't care less and just want the Internet on their device to work. 

Well, if the best practice for CPE routers included as a matter of course the subnets "connected to internet", "local only (e.g. IoT)" and "guest network", and if they just worked, then they wouldn't mind that either. 

A friend of mine used to refer to this as 'refrigerator consciousness" - he was a gearhead, so it was a pejorative. Instead, I think of it as a design goal. 

-Randy Fischer 

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