symmetric vs. asymmetric [was: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality]

Jay Ashworth jra at
Thu Apr 23 14:19:39 UTC 2015

I wasn't being funny. :-)

That was about a quarter to a third of a /wonderful/ #takethat to the *AA...

On April 23, 2015 10:17:51 AM EDT, Ray Soucy <rps at> wrote:
>Sorry, I know I get long-winded.  That's why I don't post as much as I
>to. ;-)
>On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Jay Ashworth <jra at> wrote:
>> There's an op-ed piece in this posting, Ray. Do you want to write it,
>> should I?
>> :-)
>> On April 23, 2015 10:06:42 AM EDT, Ray Soucy <rps at> wrote:
>>> It's amazing, really.
>>> Netflix and YouTube now overtake BitTorrent and all other file
>>> peer-to-peer traffic combined, even on academic networks, by
>order(s) of
>>> magnitude.  The amount of peer-to-peer traffic is not even
>significant in
>>> comparison.  It might as well be IRC from our perspective.
>>> Internet usage habits have shifted quite a bit in the past decade. 
>>> think the takeaway is that if you provide content in a way that is
>>> priced and convenient to access (e.g. DRM doesn't get in your way),
>>> people will opt for the legal route.  Something we were trying to
>>> to the MPAA and RIAA years ago when they shoved the DMCA down our
>>> I'm certainly in favor of symmetrical service.  I think there is a
>>> held myth that DOS attacks will take down the Internet when everyone
>>> more bandwidth.  The fact is that DOS attacks are a problem
>regardless of
>>> bandwidth, and throttling people isn't a solution.  The other
>>> insulting) argument that people will use greater upload speeds for
>>> activity is pretty bogus as well.
>>> The limit on upload bandwidth for most people is a roadblock to a
>lot of
>>> the services that people will take for granted a decade from now;
>>> backup, residential video surveillance over IP, peer-to-peer high
>>> definition video conferencing.  And likely a lot of things that we
>>> imagined yet.
>>> As funny as it sounds, I think Twitch (streaming video games) has
>>> the application that has made the younger generation care about
>>> upload speed more than anything else.  They now have a use case
>where their
>>> limited upload is a real problem for them, and when they find out
>their ISP
>>> can't provide anything good enough they get pretty upset about it.
>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra at>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk at>
>>>> > Those are measured at the campus boundary. I don't have
>>>> inside
>>>> > the school's network to know who much intra-campus traffic there
>>>> be .
>>>> > but we know that peer-to-peer is a small percentage of overall
>>>> > traffic flows, and streaming video remains the largets.
>>>> BitTorrent makes special efforts to keep as much traffic local as
>>>> possible,
>>>> I understand; that probably isn't too helpful... except at scales
>>>> that
>>>> on a resnet at a sizable campus.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -- jra
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>>> Ray Patrick Soucy
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>> --
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>Ray Patrick Soucy
>Network Engineer
>University of Maine System
>T: 207-561-3526
>F: 207-561-3531
>MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network

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