ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)

John Curran jcurran at
Mon Oct 27 12:06:02 UTC 2014

On Oct 27, 2014, at 12:58 AM, Randy Bush <randy at> wrote:
>> LACNIC numbers (as a percent) are quite good, but my question 
>> was why only RIPE has the very impressive total count of ROAs.
> < conjecture follows >
> of course one can never know.  but i conject
>  o the are the largest registry actively promotin registration
>  o the ncc, particularly alex, tim, oleg, ... have put significant
>    effort into making it very easy to register
>  o they have a culture of cooperation and doing things well

Reasonable conjecture; implies that in this region we need to overcome 
our interesting legal situation, make things easy to use, and then do
some significant promotion.  

>> You can clearly point to ARIN's legal treatment of the risks involved,
>> but that is not applicable in the APNIC case....
> it is hard to register in apnic, ask folk who have tried.  the most
> active folk are under NIRs, who are only now working on deployment.
> apnic is not really promoting it.

Ah, good to know (and reinforces potential ARIN issues beyond legal 

>> You don't feel there's any correlation between RIPE's IRR approach and
>> their RPKI success?
> that's the cooperative culture bit, actually interested in the net
> running well.

Presumably the NANOG community is also interested in keeping the net
running well, so if ARIN can provide some reasonably usable services, 
that shouldn't be an issue.


John Curran
President and CEO

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