Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch

Thu Oct 23 02:47:46 UTC 2014

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Miles Fidelman
<mfidelman at meetinghouse.net> wrote:
> Hey... how about not using selective editing to change the thread of
> discussion (see below)

>
> If you're going to simply keep repeating "I like systemd, everything is
> copacetic" - maybe you should take your fanboy attitude elsewhere, and let
> those of us concerned with operational impacts have a meaningful
> conversation here.

Sigh, this is *exactly* why I should have stayed out of this.  I
hadn't seen much in terms of meaningful conversation before I posted,
just a lot of hand-wringing about the doom about to happen.

The arguments against systemd that I've seen so far:

1) It's different so it's bad.
2) There's a lot of code, there must be some really bad security
problems just waiting to happen, so it's bad.
3) It doesn't do things the way we've always done them, so it's bad.
4) The systemd developers are jerks, so it's bad.

> And maybe, you should check out some of the upstream bug
> reports re. systemd interactions with NTP.

While I don't have infinite amounts of time to read every mailing list
thread or bug report, I have seen quite a few of them.

And I think that a lot of the time, people are forgetting that it's
difficult in email/textual communication to convey emotional subtlety
and that can easily cause problems.

> Plonk.

Have fun in your nice quiet world where no one disagrees with you.

-- 
Jeff Ollie