Linux: concerns over systemd [OT]

Wed Oct 22 20:41:37 UTC 2014

Randy Bush wrote:
>> the vast majority of negative tongue wagging regarding systemd is ill
>> informed.
> can we skip the ad homina and leave that for the systemd dev fora?
>
>> does systemd have growing pains? definitely. are some egos involved?
>> sure. can systemd be far reaching? yes, is such reach mandated?
>> no. use the units you want and disregard the rest.
> how does this work out in practice?  at install, can i choose whether
> systemd is used for X as opposed for the separate component?  can i
> template such choices for cluster deployment with the usual tools?

Right now, the problem is that the installer does not give a choice, and 
the preseed function has a bug such that you can't do a systemvinit 
install directly at install time; rather you have to let the default 
install complete, then replace systemd with sysvinit-core - and there 
seem to be cases of dropping into dependency hell when doing so (reports 
vary).

Longer term, the above-mentioned bug will (hopefully) be patched (the 
patch is there, but not well tested, and has not yet been included into 
the installer).  Then we get into the question of to what extent 
upstream packages start depending on systemd.

Miles Fidelman

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