wifi blocking [was Re: Marriott wifi blocking]

Thu Oct 9 07:40:33 UTC 2014

On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:16 AM, Larry Sheldon <larrysheldon at cox.net> wrote:

> On 10/9/2014 02:03, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> 
>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 2:11 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:37 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja at bogus.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/8/14 1:29 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On 10/8/2014 08:47, William Herrin wrote:
>>>>>> BART would not have had an FCC license. They'd have had contracts with
>>>>>> the various phone companies to co-locate equipment and provide wired
>>>>>> backhaul out of the tunnels. The only thing they'd be guilty of is
>>>>>> breach of contract, and that only if the cell phone companies decided
>>>>>> their behavior was inconsistent with the SLA..
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK that makes more sense than the private answer I got from Roy.  I
>>>>> wondered why the FCC didn't take action if there was a license violation.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/technology/fcc-reviews-need-for-rules-to-interrupt-wireless-service.html?_r=0
>>> 
>>>> From the article: "Among the issues on which the F.C.C. is seeking
>>> comment is whether it even has authority over the issue."
>>> 
>>> Also: "The BART system owns the wireless transmitters and receivers
>>> that allow for cellphone reception within its network.”
>> 
>> I’m not sure that statement is accurate. However, there is no prohibition against owning a Microcell or other cellular station which is operated by a third party under said third party’s license.
>> 
>>> I'm not entirely clear how that works.
>> 
>> If that were truly the case (and I don’t think it is, given BART statements that “...the cellular providers are basically tenants and are as such subject to…”), I’m pretty sure it would be operated by the cellular carrier under their license as a non-owner of the equipment.
> 
> What where the laws and practices in the Olde Days of over-the-air TV when somebody in a small town installed a translator to repeat Big-Cities-TV-Station into a small town?

The translator had to be operated by a holder of an FCC license for that translator.

Operator and Owner are not necessarily linked in any way shape or form, though they usually were one and the same.

Owen